Lusting for [email protected] 400-family and friends think I'm nuts. Too small they say. I want your feedback.

MiraMira Posts: 4Member
Hi all,

New member here. A little background on me.  I've never been rving.  I've tent camped and LOVED it.  However, the older I get (53) the more I wish for a bathroom in the middle of the night.  And just plain other conveniences.  I'll be a empty nester next year, and I've dreamed of toodling around the US seeing all the places I've never seen.  I've been eyeing the Tabs for over a year.  I've been to an RV show and looked at all the generic white huge boxes.  So it's not like I'm being impulsive.  

I really want to enjoy traveling for weeks at a time.  Some in dispersed campgrounds.  I would be traveling mainly by myself.  Husband isn't a huge traveler and we have dogs, horses, chickens.  Hard for both of us to get away. 


I wanted something on the smaller side.  Just seems more doable for me.  
I'd love your opinion on why you like your choice of smaller.  I'd love to rent a [email protected] to see if its for me, but alas have never seen them for rent. I"m located outside St. Louis MO.   


So my question is:  Do you find the small space of the [email protected] to be limiting?  

Comments

  • MiraMira Posts: 4Member
    Oh, for what it's worth I just looked at a [email protected] 400 in person at a dealer.
  • jrhameljrhamel Posts: 29Member
    And?
     2019 [email protected] 400 Boondock Lite and 2019 Ford F 150 4x4

    Madison, Wi
  • MiraMira Posts: 4Member
    I loved the [email protected]!  Just letting you know I've actually stepped in one and looked at it in person.  
  • MiquelCamoMiquelCamo Posts: 51Member
    We looked at several larger trailers which did not have the same feel we get from our [email protected] 320 S. They definitely did not have the fit and finish. To us, it has a more relaxing, open feel (probably the windows surrounding you) than the 400. We spend most of our time outside the camper but when we finish the day and sit inside it's a wonderful cocoon, we watch the news and weather and feel as comfortable as we do at home except the view to the outside is more serene. We do have to be considerate of each other's space as we move around but it's only for a few moments as we get settled or prepare the bed. That's with two of us, alone I couldn't imagine "needing" more room. As with many things, less is more.   
    Mike and Lisa Campbell
    Springfield, MO
    2016 [email protected] Max S, Silver/Red "Sock Monkey", 2014 F150 3.5L Ecoboost

  • MiquelCamoMiquelCamo Posts: 51Member
    As with any trailer you have to get from point A to point B. Towing is easy, this was a huge consideration for us. 
    Mike and Lisa Campbell
    Springfield, MO
    2016 [email protected] Max S, Silver/Red "Sock Monkey", 2014 F150 3.5L Ecoboost

  • LisaTucsonLisaTucson Posts: 52Member
    edited August 18
    Ditto! I could have written your post myself about a year ago. I, too, was predominately using a tent but decided I wanted...wait...deserved...a bit more room and a bathroom.
    It’s been a year since I bought my [email protected] and I haven’t regretted it one moment! I LOVE it. I travel with my dogs and sometimes just me. (My spouse isn’t a traveler as well). I rendezvous with friends in various places or just head up to the mountains by myself. I love the compactness and efficiency of the [email protected] Is it small (read cute)...yes. Is it enough room for sleeping and peeing and cooking - Absolutely! Besides...you have the great outdoors as your patio (weather permitting, of course.)
    So, in a nutshell...I say go for it! [email protected]’s are easy to pull and back up. They can get into places bigger rigs can not and heck...if need be...their resale value is very good if by chance it isn’t what you ultimately want. Good luck. Keep us posted!
    Lisa
    Tucson, AZ
    2016 [email protected] 320 S Outback ("Scout")
    TV: 2013 Lexus 450h
    "You never know when you're having good luck." ~ Unknown
  • VernaVerna Posts: 5,300Administrator
    I just love traveling around. I’m on my 4th teardrop (yes, the [email protected] 400 is still teardrop shaped).

    There is one dealer in Missouri that does rent [email protected]’s. I “think” it is Missouri Teardrops in Centerview, MO, phone # 660-909-3553. If not, hopefully someone from the “Show Me” state will chime in and give the correct one. 

    Good luck!
    Verna, Indianapolis, IN, living full time in my 2019 [email protected] 400 Boondock Lite white/red, towed by a white 2019 Ford F-150 4x4 Supercab, 3.5L V6 Ecoboost; [email protected] Administrator




  • DenisPDenisP Posts: 197Member
    edited August 18
    The choice of the perfect RV is a very personal thing. For my particular situation a 400 has been perfect for my wife and I and sometimes our Lab or our two grandsons. We have just returned from a 9500 mile/35 day trip to the northern west coast which included 16 National Parks (12 Us and 4 Canadian.). We camped in a variety of campsites. We had electricity hookups 11 nights out of 35 without any sacrifice. I owned my Tundra before the purchase of the 400 so no issue towing or tongue weight. 
    The 400 tows easily any we have never had a issue fitting in a campsite. It allows us to travel the country with comfort and piece of mind. 
    NuCamp makes a great quality trailer which it is obvious that the engineers had the upper hand instead of the accountants. One of our best decisions. 
    We are off to go on a four day camping trip to the beach with my two grandsons (7&8).   Best of luck. 
    2018 [email protected] 400 with Solar
    2013 Tundra TRD 5.7L
    Massachusetts
  • VictoriaPVictoriaP Posts: 234Member
    A 400 is an excellent size for one person, and a decent size for two. Don’t listen to naysayers; most people think bigger is better in all things—just look at restaurant portions, cars/trucks/SUVs, and new houses. Very few people build small nowadays, and you will be questioned for wanting to go against the norm. 

    Personally, I wouldn’t want to tow anything bigger than a 400. I went smaller still, with a 320. Everyone who looks at it from the outside remarks on how tiny it is. Then they go in and rave about how much more spacious it feels than they expected, and how well designed/crafted it looks. You do have to think and plan small...storage is limited, so you simplify what you carry. But I never feel cramped in mine.

    Go back to the dealer and tell them you want to be left alone for a bit. Then really visualize what actually staying in one is like. Get in and out of the bed a few times. Go in the bathroom and mime showering. Where would you put everything? Would you use the table or leave it in couch mode? The 400 has options you need to think about...big or little fridge? Do you really need the microwave? (Will you be in parks with electric hookups often enough to use it?) What would it be like to be stuck in there alone  through multiple stormy days?

    Going through that exercise should tell you if it’s right for you. If it is, then it’s just a matter of making sure you have the right tow vehicle before getting out on the road. 
    2019 320s BD Lite, white with blue (“Haven”)
    2015 Subaru Outback 3.6r 
    Pacific NW
  • daviddendavidden Posts: 32Member
    My wife and I just bought a 2020 400 BD Lite. I drive to Oregon next week to pick it up. We’re recent empty nesters with a dog, and we think this will be the perfect size. I’m not much for roughing it, but I love to take surf trips. I’ve been looking at campers and RVs for 6 years, ever since I sold my VW Eurovan Camper...which I found way too small and weak on comfort and conveniences for any longer term camping. My wife hasn’t wanted to buy a camper, but I convinced her to “at least go look at” a 2019 Tab 400 at a local dealer. I had researched them for a few weeks and read a lot on this forum. She spent 5 minutes in it and said, “Let’s get it!” We checked every feature and space and went home to research some more. I realized that there were a few issues with the 2019, nothing major, but we decided to splurge and get the latest model. I’m driving it down the coast to Santa Cruz next week behind my Tacoma. I’m planning to surf along the way and, likely, to stay at private spots found on the Hipcamp app. Given my lack of towing experience, I had the truck outfitted with push-button inflating air springs, and I will have the dealer put on a weight distribution system. I’m already realizing that this thing will cost more than planned. I just keep telling our kids that they can drop out of college so we can afford it 😉. The only problem so far is that we don’t have a place to store it. The RV storage place near our house is full, and I hadn’t planned for that. It’s probably a good thing that I bought the camper first as the lack of storage availability might have delayed our decision and kept us from getting the exact model we wanted for a while. I’m looking forward to the long trip home next week. I’ll take it slow, deal with the lower gas mileage, and hopefully find some good surf! 
    • 2020 [email protected] 400 BD Lite, white with blue accent line
    • 2016 Toyota Tacoma Limited 4WD with air springs
    • Santa Cruz, Calfornia
    • Surfer, Co-Founder of ventanasurfboards.com
  • jrhameljrhamel Posts: 29Member
    My wife and I lucked out and found a barely used 2019 400 BD lite, we had ordered a new 2020 but things didn't work out with our dealer so we pulled our order. Originally we were going to by the 320 BD Lite but after some thought decided we wanted the 400 for more space and a separate dinette area. 

    As others have said you can't go wrong, they are manufactured well and hold their value. 

    If you think its right for you don't hesitate, you won't regret it.

    I would also say shop around, look on Craigslist, FB Marketplace and any of the [email protected] forums for used one. 

    Good luck.
     2019 [email protected] 400 Boondock Lite and 2019 Ford F 150 4x4

    Madison, Wi
  • VernaVerna Posts: 5,300Administrator
    It feels just right to me, and I did sell my house last year and move into the 400. I do not regret my decision. 
    Verna, Indianapolis, IN, living full time in my 2019 [email protected] 400 Boondock Lite white/red, towed by a white 2019 Ford F-150 4x4 Supercab, 3.5L V6 Ecoboost; [email protected] Administrator




  • wooperwooper Posts: 77Member
    If you buy one, be prepared for naysayers.  And certainly the size is limiting, but then again, so is the size of a tent.  So what.  I am also a tent camper and love to camp, but my wife doesn't like sleeping in a tent.  What a perfect alternative!!  And we can hit the road together on new adventures.  

    We bought a used 2017 [email protected] 320S...it's small but has everything we need.  Think about it...when you travel and stay in a hotel, how much time do you spend in the hotel room?  Pretty much just to sleep or rest.  Our 320S, and certainly the 400, has plenty of room for that.  Just bring your other camping supplies and set up around the trailer.  

    The Mark Twain National Forest is calling you....and don't be surprised is a friend or two show interest in coming with you.
    2017 [email protected] 320S, 2011 2WD Honda Pilot, Coming out of The Woodlands, TX....Mark & Carolyn
  • PJ123PJ123 Posts: 35Member
      Mira, in southern Louisiana we sometimes have weather related trips to take (read:hurricane evacuation).  The process before our first trailer was load car,drive to where the hurricane hopefully won't be and again, hopefully (and this is the biggie!) to find a hotel for a few days. 
      Now we evacuate for fun to wherever we wish, whenever we wish, weather notwithstanding.  Just think, where ever you go.... o.k. so there you are... but with your own bed,bedding,pots and pans, dog,fuzzy bunny slippers and just all your own....stuff.
       Oh, I also have to mention that camping spots are a whole LOTS more plentiful than hotel rooms when at least one quarter of the country is looking for someplace "else"to live for a few days.  One year pre-trailer we wound up in Missouri.  Now Muzzura was a nice place to visit and now when we want to....we can... in our own bed.
      Like VictoraP said, try it on for size...fuzzy bunny slippers are optional.
       See you guys around the campfire...   Pete, Jeanne and Beaux and Zeaux the Wonder Poodles....

    Pete & Jeanne 2019 [email protected] red and grey 400 Boondock Lite..TV 2015 Nissan Frontier, Southern Louisiana
  • MiraMira Posts: 4Member
    Ah I can't thank everyone enough for taking the time to explain your experience and perspectives!

    This is a wonderful group of folks who really get it.  I'd much rather have a wonderful quality product, than just bigger.  The 400 size just sings to me.  I love the open feeling of the 320's, but I want to stand up in the shower.   

    I actually started to doubt myself in what I wanted when all friends and family started saying it was too claustrophobic.    However, I really know myself and what I want out of a traveling experience.  Most of them also hate to tent camp or have never been tent camping. Lol  

    Plus I just think the [email protected] are just so darn cute!  

    I'll keep everyone updated on my adventure and WHEN I get my [email protected] :)!!!!!
  • HomebodyatheartHomebodyatheart Posts: 2,016Member
    @Mira you know your own heart and your wants and your needs. That’s all you need to decide, not those who don’t share your dreams. I bought a 2017 320S and have never regretted it for a moment! DH isn’t much for camping anymore so I go anyway! While the 400 bathroom is huge and nice I wouldn’t trade up! I love the openness of the three large windows, my 320 holds everything I need and then some. The bathroom is just fine for me (I’m 5’3”) and after years of tenting is a wonderful luxury! I wanted a hard side, door to lock at night and be fully self contained. She is my first RV and I love it! I’ve found a group of local women who camp together once a month during camping season. I was just camping with them last weekend, there were 11 of us camping with everything from tents to the back of a minivan to those of us with trailers. It’s a wonderful life! Best of luck with your decisions!
    2017 [email protected] 320 Max S silver and cherry red, [email protected] ("Bug" aka my [email protected] pod), TV 2015 Toyota Highlander aka Big Red
  • DanManzDanManz Posts: 10Member
    In addition to all the excellent points others have made here is one more perspective.  My wife and I have concluded our 400 actually has four rooms in it.  There is a bedroom, a kitchen/galley, the bathroom and a dining room.  For the two of us, each of those spaces is perfectly adequate and actually pretty roomy.  The only time it feels a little cozy is when the two of us are moving around inside the camper and have to pass in the hallway.  The other part is, we use our camper to go CAMPING!  Our version of that includes hiking, swimming, sightseeing, fishing, outdoor cooking, campfires, etc.  We use our 400 to sleep in, clean up, carry food, listen to the weather and news, use the bathroom and get out of the rain during a big storm.  Our goal is to spend as much time outdoors as possible.  For us, the 400 hit that sweet intersection of easy to tow, well made, big enough to be comfortable, small enough to get into fairly remote sites and enough water/power capacity to be off the grid for several days.  We know people that have big 5th wheels and other campers with huge slide-outs, etc.  A lot of those folks pull their unit out to the lake, park it and stay in one place all season.  We prefer moving around from place to place and having a comfortable way to live while we are away from our bricks and mortar home. Our guess is you will love it!
    Dan and Liz    2019 TAB 400 BDL    2010 Toyota Tacoma V6 4WD TRD Sport
  • Sharon_is_SAMSharon_is_SAM Posts: 4,669Moderator
    I will also add that there are lots of RV owners who after awhile elect to downsize.  Smaller has advantages.
    Sharon / 2017 [email protected] CSS / 2015 Toyota Sienna Minivan / Cleveland Heights, Ohio
       
                                           
  • VictoriaPVictoriaP Posts: 234Member
    I will also add that there are lots of RV owners who after awhile elect to downsize.  Smaller has advantages.
    This, exactly. One of my camping neighbors has a fairly new 28’ class A, and for them, that was a recent downsize from one of the giant buses. Not surprisingly, they also recently downsized their house. First comment the lady made about the [email protected] was, “Oh, that would be so easy to clean!” 😁
    2019 320s BD Lite, white with blue (“Haven”)
    2015 Subaru Outback 3.6r 
    Pacific NW
  • JohnDanielsCPAJohnDanielsCPA Posts: 219Member
    I own an F350 dually and a 30’ fifth wheel.  We found we were having problems getting into some of our favorite sites.  We also found a dually is not a good offroad vehicle for exploring! So we kept our rig for “glamping” but bought a Jeep, then looked around to see what trailer would best fit it.  We decided on the 320S. We really love it and found we tend to go out more often in the [email protected] then we do our fifth wheel, especially, for shorter duration trips.  That said, for the two of us, the 320 is a bit on the small side, but it works just fine for us.  I would “move up” to a 400, but the Jeep just won’t pull it safely.  So, if you have the tow vehicle, the 400 would be a nice choice.  If not, the 320 is great too!
    2017 [email protected] Max S
    2017 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Sahara
  • tombeauxtombeaux Posts: 22Member
    You got my attention when you said you were a tent camper. My wife and I are life long tent campers. We went camping on an early date. We also backpacked when we were young, and then took it up again just recently for one trip a year with family. We are retired now. Our quest when camping is for the more secluded and smaller spots, the sort of spot we had when we tent camped. "Parking lot" camping is not our deal. The [email protected] fits our needs perfectly We have a 320S, so the 400 would be considered "big" to us. We tend to end up in bear country, so we wanted something hard-sided, and we wanted an indoor bathroom. We are about 18 months into to ownership and love it. We are taking off on a 7-week trip in late September. It is really a matter of what you want. That's why there is chocolate, vanilla and strawberry. Everyone has a different idea of what they want.
    2018 [email protected] 320S. 2017 Toyota Highlander AWD
  • ColleenD2ColleenD2 Posts: 355Member
    And hello from downtown St. Louis @Mira! I have to tell you we drove about 3 hours to Missouri Teardrop for our [email protected] and are soooo glad we did. The local-ish dealer wasn’t easy to work with. I would suggest calling Dana at Missouri Teardrop. (660) 909-3553. He is a VERY low overhead dealership and a heck of a nice guy. The [email protected] friends I’ve sent to him have been very happy with the prices and prompt service. You can tell him I sent ya. I don’t get a kickback, I just like him to know.

    Travelers from Downtown St. Louis, Missouri
    2018 Ford Edge SEL AWD
    2019 custom [email protected] 320 U Boondock Lite-ish

  • TNOutbackTNOutback Posts: 175Member
    edited August 21
    Going small opens up a whole new world of campgrounds, backroads, and dispersed camping options not available to larger RVs. We go RV camping to get into the outdoors, enjoy the quiet, and not spend it inside the camper.  We can watch TV, play music and stare at our computers at home. The camper is for secure, comfortable, sleeping, bathing, sometimes cooking, so it doesn’t need to be big, but we appreciate the comforts that an RV brings.  We spent a year looking for our next camper, and the NuCamp products stood head and shoulders above everyone else.  We had narrowed down our list to 3 RVs until we stepped into a 400,  and then we stopped looking.  We are anxiously awaiting our camper back from the factory.
    2020 [email protected] 400 BDL w/ solar
    2016 F-150 4x4 Crew, 3.5L Ecoboost
    Middle Tennessee
    YNWA LFC
  • DigitalSorceressDigitalSorceress Posts: 215Member
    I'm 49 and also quite tall (6'2") I have a [email protected] 320s Boondock Edge it's certainly tiny but it's perfect for my needs.. I'm fairly slim so I can use the very small bathroom in there and take a shower sitting down (though I prefer the outdoor shower when possible)  and for one person I think the 320S is tight but cozy.. I do more weekend events and "driveway camping" though I just finished a 2 week long medieval reenactment event where I was truly boondocking it.. been doing that event for 25 years..in the past always in tents.. what a difference!!

    If I were to full time, I think I'd upgrade to a 400 for that extra headroom, longer bed, bigger bathroom, more storage, and extra kitchen space..

    I don't cook in my [email protected] except for heating water for coffee or a quick heat up of something canned, I also don't spend a lot of time IN my [email protected] except for sleeping, changing, and working remotely (I sit at the Lagun table which I've added an extension to for my keyboard and mouse when working)

    So for 1 person, a 320 is cozy but very doable.. a 400 would feel palatial to me.

    If I were going to camp longer stays I would likely get a side tent or at least an awning.. for my 2 week event, I set up a 3 walled "cook shack" tent I had to give me a big changing room (medieval reenactment means lots of clothing.. especially for renaissance garb .. so many skirts ....)

    ~Tananda

    2019 [email protected] 320 S Boondock Edge  named "Binky" | TV: 2016 Chevy Colorado Z71 with full tow package and a Leer Cap for lots of storage

    I'm New to nuCamp and TearDrops but have owned a Class A in the past

  • RangerTomRangerTom Posts: 95Member
    edited August 23
    Had decided to get an RV for my travels in the U.S.A. after returning from my annual winter trip to South America two years ago.  Looked at a lot of different ones and settled on a 20 foot GeoPro.  My brother convinced me that I would be better off with a smaller one so changed my order to the 14 foot with the caveat from the dealer that he would accept it for trade at the end of the season for the 20 footer.  After one trip I realized smaller was better.  After Labor Day that same year, returning to the dealer for a fix of the door frame, I took a look at the [email protected] more seriously.  In the beginning I thought I wanted something BIG, so passed the [email protected] over.  I also looked at a 400.  Very nice, but realizing that I preferred being mobile and that the 14 footer had all I needed, I went for the 320 and got the OutBack because I wanted to take it off road. 

    I have taken it on forest fire lane roads, camping in a small clearing, or to a grassy lake access spot for windsurfing or kitesurfing, and have the luxury of making a meal while waiting for the wind to pickup or showering and changing after a session.  I'm the envy of all the other windsurfers and kitesurfers. 

    The 400 would just not work well in these situations.  For some the luxury of a 400 may be the best, but for someone that travels solo, as you plan on doing, a 320 is more than you need and when you are towing it, you will probably be thankful that you didn't go bigger.
    2017 [email protected] OutBack 320S, 2018 Toyota Highlander.  Pewaukee, Wisconsin.  Windsurfer, Kiteboarder, Paraglider Pilot
  • JP2558JP2558 Posts: 53Member
    My wife and I too were tent people. Now both of us are retired and a few weeks ago she found a used 2018 [email protected] 320-CS, that had only been used twice, and it spent the last year stored in a barn. We picked it up on 8/23 and immediately went to a Michigan State park less than 70 miles from home for two nights. Neither of us knew anything about campers, but this forum and the very fine folks here have helped us along the way. I’m 6’2” and we’ve already figured out our version of the bed extension (a covered camping accessory tote is the perfect height), and yesterday we pulled the mattress off the lazy-boy hide-a-bed in the basement and tested using it as a mattress topper. The sleeping bags and air mattresses will be staying home from now on! We will mostly go places that have shower and restroom facilities, and when tenting camping we spend almost all our time awake outside. For us our [email protected] is just our new tent on wheels, and that’s all we really want (well something less leaky too 🤪).

    Thanks, Jerry 
     
    2019 Honda Pilot AWD and 2018 [email protected] 320-CS hanging out on the left edge of Lake Erie.
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