New LiTime Lithium Batteries

Clipper_One

I am upgrading the Led Acid battery to dual lithium batteries which will be installed in the cabin underneath the fwd passenger side seat. I was considering the EnjoyBot Lithium 100Ah, however during my research I found the LiTime Lithium Mini weighing 19 Lbs 100Ah for close to the same price. Well now I am having a hard time deciding which is the better one, the prices are similar as well as the specs.
I am attaching the links to LiTime and Enjoybot batteries below, if someone has heard of the above batteries and/or installed either ones please let me know your thoughts if possible. 

LiTime Batteries:

https://www.amazon.com/Litime-4000-15000-Upgraded-Lifespan-Trolling/dp/B0C2HFJQP9/ref=sr_1_10?crid=1FAI708PDX7FI&keywords=litime+12v+200ah+lithium+battery+self-heating+low+temperature&qid=1695250312&sprefix=litime,aps,161&sr=8-10

https://www.amazon.com/LiFePO4-4000-15000-Phosphate-Parallel-Trolling/dp/B0BQ7PHWSK?ref_=ast_sto_dp

EnJioyBot Batteries:

https://www.amazon.com/sspa/click?ie=UTF8&spc=MTozMjUwNzEwMzMyNTAzNjI3OjE2OTUyNTA0NDI6c3BfZGV0YWlsX3RoZW1hdGljOjMwMDAyNTA1NTg5MzcwMjo6Ojo&url=/dp/B09MF78Y3D/ref=sspa_dk_detail_1?psc=1&pd_rd_i=B09MF78Y3D&pd_rd_w=olZCE&content-id=amzn1.sym.386c274b-4bfe-4421-9052-a1a56db557ab&pf_rd_p=386c274b-4bfe-4421-9052-a1a56db557ab&pf_rd_r=0WPBP2W52EAEWC4HR2YG&pd_rd_wg=LOVYP&pd_rd_r=25615819-7a96-4da8-a09d-8a2526cad265&s=automotive&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9kZXRhaWxfdGhlbWF0aWM

SLJ

The Litime Mini doesn't have low temp cut off.  This one does: https://www.litime.com/products/litime-12v-100ah-tm-deep-cycle-lifepo4-battery-for-trolling-motors

Grumpy_G

Generally speaking there isn't much difference between all these Chinese LiFePo batteries, at this time it's not rocket science anymore. The "mini" style batteries use pouch cells as opposed to the larger metal body prismatic cells, but within the form factor they are pretty much copies of each other just like the larger older batteries are. This guy took a LiTime mini apart, Will Prowse style: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suW6Hqt1UHk&t=460s

Personally I chose a battery with low temp charging protection because I camp at higher elevations where temps occasionally drop below freezing in early spring and late summer. That's less of an issue if the battery is installed inside but mine is sitting in the front tub. 

Yoshi_TAB

Hi, 

 I have no experience with either of those brands but also want to point out to make sure you confirm the batteries BMS will not allow cold weather charging from solar  or if you live in a cold climate from the battery charger.  Options are to have (1) confirm the batteries BMS prevents cold weather charging (2) Battery warmers (3) tie a temperature sensor into your solar controller to turn it off .  I also have moved my batteries inside but placed them in front of the Air 8 , as that space seemed less useful for storage  (to me) than the under the side seat.  Good luck with your install...

d_v

I replaced the LA batteries with the mini a month ago. I liked the mini because it is small and light. I live in south Texas so the need for low temp cut off for charging only happens a few times a year and it has to be really cold to get the inside of the trailer below freezing and then freezing inside the battery. We have a cover on the trailer so solar can’t charge the battery. I’ll just unplug the trailer AC power if it looks like its going to be freezing more than a night. 

cameron

If "made in the USA" is important, consider BattleBorn: https://battlebornbatteries.com/

Grumpy_G

Battleborn batteries never claimed to be "made in USA", presumably because more than 50% of the components were imported. It used to say "designed and assembled in USA" on them but even that has disappeared on current production batteries. They do make a good product and AFAIK have good support though. 

d_v

Anything LiFePO4 is China. They had the patents until earlier this year.

d_v

The mini is $230 right now on Amazon. $40 coupon + $30 promo.

Clipper_One

@d_v
Yes the price keeps going down, the longer we wait the better prices, I noticed if I place the batteries in the cart the price always goes down. 

SLJ

Grumpy_G said:

Generally speaking there isn't much difference between all these Chinese LiFePo batteries, at this time it's not rocket science anymore. The "mini" style batteries use pouch cells as opposed to the larger metal body prismatic cells, but within the form factor they are pretty much copies of each other just like the larger older batteries are.

Yes, all China but if you look at the tear down reviews you'll see that some are put together much better than others. Better buss bars, larger gauge wire, better terminals/connectors, etc. Good to pay attention to that as they'll be installed in a bouncing box going down the road. One of the reasons I went with Enjoybots over others in that price range.