2021 [email protected] 400 Changes?

Other than possible changes to the AC unit, what else have others heard about re changes for 2021 model year?  i saw on this forum mention of fabric changes with no more blue or red cushions, now graphite and cobblestone.  I also heard today of no silver exterior trim, replaced with graphite.  

I may decide to buy a 2021, so looking to see what replacement/different options etc. i need to consider.

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  • BirdieJaneBirdieJane Posts: 212Member
    edited February 12
    Here are the new fabric option for 2021

    Picture size edited - Moderator.


    2017 [email protected] Outback white w black trim / 2019 Subaru Ascent White with black trim / Birch Bay WA.
    aka BirdieJane towed by Quinn
  • Redfish24Redfish24 Posts: 22Member
    Hey Dave,  I just heard back from the Nucamp rep that Trim colors will change.  a darker red, deeper blue, and a graphite color trim replaces the silver trim.  Trailer colors will stay the same with white and silver.
    There will also be a larger tub up front for a Propane tank and a battery and storage,  there will be an external propane connection on the rear of the trailer for connecting a grill or accessory. , lighter and thinner dinette table will also be used.
     
    You have seen the interior color options already.

    I just saw a video on youtube a few minutes ago by Princess Craft RV displaying the new 2021- 320S which showed off most of these same new features on that model that I learned of earlier today.

    The Unknown or yet announced issue is will they be changing the AC or not. They reiterated that this AC issue is not as big of an issue as being played out. Its an isolated issue at this point but it is still being investigated.

    I guess we shall wait to see what Nucamp does with this AC issue before making a leap.


    [email protected] 400 - 2021 on order, Ford F150 Raptor TV, Navarre Beach - home base

  • Redfish24Redfish24 Posts: 22Member
    edited February 12
    This is the grey color trim that will replace the silver that you wanted.

    Picture size edited - Moderator.


    [email protected] 400 - 2021 on order, Ford F150 Raptor TV, Navarre Beach - home base

  • rh5555rh5555 Posts: 81Member
    There will also be a larger tub up front for a Propane tank and a battery and storage,  there will be an external propane connection on the rear of the trailer for connecting a grill or accessory. , lighter and thinner dinette table will also be used.

    Interesting...  If NuCamp are thinking of moving the batteries to the tub, that could imply that:

    • They realize the converter needs to be close to the batteries in order to work optimally (converter currently under front passenger-side seat and too far from the batteries which are at the back, under the bed)
    • This would open up space under the bed for a bigger A/C unit
    • They've given up worrying about tongue weight (unless they're thinking Lithium batteries!)
    Roger and Sue Hill | 2020 [email protected] Boondock ([email protected]) | 2019 Jeep Cherokee Trailhawk 2L | San Juan Island, WA
  • Redfish24Redfish24 Posts: 22Member
    Its a bigger tub upfront but it could be just for 2 propane bottles and storage at this point.. Some speculation maybe based what the larger tub on the 320 was used for.
    [email protected] 400 - 2021 on order, Ford F150 Raptor TV, Navarre Beach - home base

  • davegctdavegct Posts: 13Member
    @rh5555 and @Redfish24 interesting thoughts.  i watched the Princess Craft video of the 2021 [email protected] 320S and that showed one bottle and one battery (I think?) in the tub.  i’m not sure if that tub (if it’s the same on the 400) will hold 2 batteries?  

    The suspense is killing me on what they’ll do in the 400. Moving the batteries would make room for a bigger AC unit and the additional weight at the back could help balance the added front weight, if they do move the batteries up front somehow/somewhere.  Not sure i knew the point @rh5555 made re converter to battery distance. 
  • Denny16Denny16 Posts: 60Member
    The converter charges the batteries, the further away the unit is from the batteries, the larger gauge the wire needs to be, to prevent line voltage loss.  Typically chargers and batteries are close by one another.
    Cheers
  • treefrogtreefrog Posts: 80Member
    Maybe they will just move the axel forward and go back to the Cool Cat.
    2021 400 with 2018 4Runner  Portland OR.
  • rh5555rh5555 Posts: 81Member
    edited February 12
    The problem of converter to battery separation is even worse that @Denny16 points out.  The converter determines the state of charge of the batteries by monitoring the voltage at its output.  The voltage drop down the long leads makes the batteries appear to have a higher voltage (greater state of charge) than they actually have.  This causes the converter to switch out of its fast-charging mode prematurely.  End result:  It takes about 24 hours to recharge a 50% depleted battery.  Batteries close to the converter can do this recharge in 2-3 hours.  I spent quite some time determining this; one day I'll write it up for the forum.
    Roger and Sue Hill | 2020 [email protected] Boondock ([email protected]) | 2019 Jeep Cherokee Trailhawk 2L | San Juan Island, WA
  • Denny16Denny16 Posts: 60Member
    True, but you can compensate for the line loss by using larger wires, up to a point.  A 12VDC system is more prone to line loss than a 24 or 48 VDC system, used in aircraft.  A 13VDC system would require wires twice the size for every given distance from the battery.  That is why charging wires tend to be 10 or 12 gauge copper wire.  A high amp cranking circuit would need 6 or 8 gauge wire.  The bigger the wire, the larger the pipe...
    Cheers
  • MissstsomewhereMissstsomewhere Posts: 83Member
    edited February 19
    They will open up Pandora’s box if they change the Air8 so soon. Basically saying to everyone who bought a 2020 400, “Gee, sorry suckers, we were wrong. Live with our mistake.”  Unless they are willing to retrofit all 2020 models. Which would be great. There really need to be ducts up higher in order for a ducted a/c system to work properly.
    [email protected] 400 Boondock lite - 2020
    Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited w/ tow package - 2019
    Hudson Valley 
  • Redfish24Redfish24 Posts: 22Member
    edited February 15
    Missstsomewhere   I suspect you are right about changing out the Air8 here midstream in the production year..  However, Nucamp is a good company and I cant see them leaving anyone hanging with a Air8 that may or may not be functional.  I would hope that if they do change brands now then they will recall and replace the 2020 Units with a newer updated model.  I like the 2020 unit we found and even prefer it, but that risk is just to big for me to take at this time..   It's simply a design issue that didn't work based upon a lot of factors. 
    [email protected] 400 - 2021 on order, Ford F150 Raptor TV, Navarre Beach - home base

  • Redfish24Redfish24 Posts: 22Member
    2021 new grey trim color


    [email protected] 400 - 2021 on order, Ford F150 Raptor TV, Navarre Beach - home base

  • MissstsomewhereMissstsomewhere Posts: 83Member
    Did you get a look inside? 
    [email protected] 400 Boondock lite - 2020
    Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited w/ tow package - 2019
    Hudson Valley 
  • Redfish24Redfish24 Posts: 22Member
    edited February 19
    Did you get a look inside? 
    Sorry I did not have any inside pics. There is a thread on here labeled "2021 400 sighting" that shows full inside pics though of his new 2021 Tab 400.




    [email protected] 400 - 2021 on order, Ford F150 Raptor TV, Navarre Beach - home base

  • Denny16Denny16 Posts: 60Member
    And those photos show the battery all the way in the back center up against the back where the sewer hose store tube was (it was removed).
    cheers
  • MissstsomewhereMissstsomewhere Posts: 83Member
    edited February 19
    There isn’t a sewer hose storage tube on my 2020 400.  My batteries are in the back middle. Sounds like other than the fabric changes and trim, so far, nothing much else has changed from ‘20 to ‘21. That may change once they roll off the line. 
    [email protected] 400 Boondock lite - 2020
    Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited w/ tow package - 2019
    Hudson Valley 
  • VernaVerna Posts: 5,491Administrator
    Redfish24 said:
    2021 new grey trim color


    AH ha!  Found the battery vent—just in front of the side running light under The “Boondock” decal. 
    Verna, Columbus, IN, 2019 [email protected] 400 Boondock Lite white/red, towed by a white 2019 Ford F-150 4x4 Supercab, 3.5L V6 Ecoboost; [email protected] Administrator




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