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Lithium Charging Question (Newbie)

fay_andersonfay_anderson Member Posts: 10
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Hello, I brought my new Tab 360 Black Canyon home on Monday. The question I have, should the state of charge reading on the Smart shunt go higher that 55%? I towed it for 2 1/2 hours on Monday and parked it. It was in full sun on Tuesday and I plugged into house electrical Tuesday night and left it plugged for 36 hours. After all this the state of charge reading was 55%. I did start running the fridge Tuesday night when I plugged into the house so I’m not sure what affect that might have. 

Was I being too impatient and it will take longer to charge? Or is 55% the most I can expect?


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  • TourDeForthTourDeForth Member Posts: 57
    edited May 15
    You probably should check the voltage of the battery directly with a volt meter to confirm the accuracy of the shunt. At zero percent the battery will be at 10 volts and a fully charged resting battery will be at 13.6 volts. While the battery is being charged you should see 14.4 volts 
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  • fay_andersonfay_anderson Member Posts: 10

    This was the reading this morning after 36 hours on house power. 
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  • TourDeForthTourDeForth Member Posts: 57
    edited May 15
    13.3 volts is about 90% charge state. I’d guess the shunt settings are incorrect for your battery.
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  • elbolilloelbolillo Member Posts: 476
    @fay_anderson what is the battery setup on your 360? How many batteries do you have? Do you a Victron inverter?
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  • RTWCTSRTWCTS Member Posts: 159
    edited May 15
    @fay_anderson In the upper right-hand corner of your posted screenshot is a gear icon. I believe the red dot with an exclamation point means you have updates to run on the Smart Shunt. Tap on the gear icon to see.

    Also, your current reading of -4.78A is odd. Do you have something turned on in the trailer (maybe the inverter and/or fridge)? If you aren't sure, turn off the red battery switch and see. You should be able to charge the trailer with the battery switch off.
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  • fay_andersonfay_anderson Member Posts: 10
    elbolillo said:
    @fay_anderson what is the battery setup on your 360? How many batteries do you have? Do you a Victron inverter?
    I have one lithium battery but do not have the inverter.
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  • fay_andersonfay_anderson Member Posts: 10
    RTWCTS said:
    @fay_anderson In the upper right-hand corner of your posted screenshot is a gear icon. I believe the red dot with an exclamation point means you have updates to run on the Smart Shunt. Tap on the gear icon to see.

    Also, your current reading of -4.78A is odd. Do you have something turned on in the trailer (maybe the inverter and/or fridge)? If you aren't sure, turn off the red battery switch and see. You should be able to charge the trailer with the battery switch off.
    RTWCTS said:
    @fay_anderson In the upper right-hand corner of your posted screenshot is a gear icon. I believe the red dot with an exclamation point means you have updates to run on the Smart Shunt. Tap on the gear icon to see.

    Also, your current reading of -4.78A is odd. Do you have something turned on in the trailer (maybe the inverter and/or fridge)? If you aren't sure, turn off the red battery switch and see. You should be able to charge the trailer with the battery switch off.
    I’ve done the updates since that screen shot was taken this morning. I have the fridge running but that is all. Currently the shunt says 22% state of charge with 13.16 voltage. Current is -3.77A

    we we’re going to test the battery voltage as a previous poster suggested but couldn’t find the battery. It wasn’t under the bed where I thought it would be.
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  • pthomas745pthomas745 Moderator Posts: 4,144
    edited May 15
    Have a look at your SmartShunt and SmartSolar "settings page".  I'm willing to bet the settings in the Victron devices are wrong: set up for lead acid charging in the Controller, and set up with the wrong battery capacity or wrong "Discharge Floor".  
    This is the Battleborn page that describes how to correctly set up your Solar Controller for lithium charging.
    This is their page for setting up the Shunt.
    Check these settings and let us know if how yours was set up, and we can go from there.


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  • fay_andersonfay_anderson Member Posts: 10
    pthomas745 said:
    Have a look at your SmartShunt and SmartSolar "settings page".  I'm willing to bet the settings in the Victron devices are wrong: set up for lead acid charging in the Controller, and set up with the wrong battery capacity or wrong "Discharge Floor".  
    This is the Battleborn page that describes how to correctly set up your Solar Controller for lithium charging.
    This is their page for setting up the Shunt.
    Check these settings and let us know if how yours was set up, and we can go from there.


    Thank you! This was kind in the back of mine too since I have a lithium battery but not the battleborn package it made me wonder if something was crossed. I looked at the settings but had no idea if they were correct so I left them alone. I will check in the morning and report back!
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  • HoriganHorigan Member Posts: 721
    edited May 16
    Even with the correct battery type on your Victron Smartshunt, you'll need to do a few of things.  1) Make sure the Smartshunt has the correct battery capacity loaded.  2) Make sure your chargers, solar and shorepower charger, are set to Lithium so they provide the correct charge profile and voltage.  3)  Turn off all loads and fully charge the battery so the Smartshunt resets to 100%.
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  • Sharon_is_SAMSharon_is_SAM Administrator Posts: 9,847
    I am not sure if the shunts are synced at the factory or if the owner needs to do that. I would charge it without a load as Horigan suggested and then sink the shunt to 100%.
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  • NMSunshineNMSunshine Member Posts: 24
    edited May 16
    With all loads switched off the Smartshunt should tell you voltage and how much current it thinks is flowing in, current at -3.77A with the fridge running means whatever charger you have running (solar, shore power or otherwise) isn't delivering enough to overcome the fridge load so it's discharging rather than charging. I'd expect to see a positive value here if it's plugged into working shore power, otherwise there's no point in shore power converter... I would figure that out (could be a blown fuse, though that is more common on the MPPT charger than the shore power) before messing with the shunt settings. But otherwise the advice ppl have re: syncing full state of charge and checking charger settings is correct. 

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  • fay_andersonfay_anderson Member Posts: 10
    edited May 16
    There are lights on the charge controller flashing yellow/green which the manual says it means “charger of pv over voltage”. Light is steady green now that I’m plugged into shore power.
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  • pthomas745pthomas745 Moderator Posts: 4,144
    We need to see your "Settings" page.
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  • fay_andersonfay_anderson Member Posts: 10
    Still plugged in to house elec with everything turned off. Microwave display is lit but I can’t reach the plug to disconnect. SOC has dropped from 16% this morning to 14%. Current readings:
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  • Sharon_is_SAMSharon_is_SAM Administrator Posts: 9,847
    I suggest turning off all loads and let your battery charge.  If you have a portable lithium compatible charger, isolate the battery and let it charge.  When it is full, sync to 100%.  In the meantime I would change the Peukert to 1.05 and set the battery SOC to “Clear”.  You don’t want to sync to 100% in case of a battery disconnect.  
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  • pthomas745pthomas745 Moderator Posts: 4,144
    edited May 17
    Your battery voltage on both devices is perfectly normal for a charged battery.  Looking at the SmartSolar history, it has reached "Float" stage every day for the last month.  (The darker blue areas on the history page). 
    There are some minor differences in what you show for your settings, and what Battleborn shows for what they say  (suggest) the settings should be.
    In any case: what you are not getting is a "synchronization" , apparently.  There is one more thread about this exact same thing in the group from a couple of days ago, where the WFCO is reaching the "charged voltage", but not staying at that voltage before dropping off to "float" voltage.  In theory, this would not allow the shunt to "sync".
    You are also telling us the trailer has been out in the sun. Your solar controller settings seem to be correct.  I would: disconnect from shore power and let the solar charge the battery.  Find the "trends' page on the shunt, which will show you the battery voltage climbing as the battery reaches that magic charged voltage number.  
    Once it reaches that voltage, the shunt is "supposed" to sync itself.  If this doesn't happen...you may need to look closely at the battery voltage to see it is at the "charged voltage" level, and manually sync the shunt.
    Edit: try the solar with the battery switch off, if convenient.

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  • fay_andersonfay_anderson Member Posts: 10
    pthomas745 said:
    Your battery voltage on both devices is perfectly normal for a charged battery.  Looking at the SmartSolar history, it has reached "Float" stage every day for the last month.  (The darker blue areas on the history page). 
    There are some minor differences in what you show for your settings, and what Battleborn shows for what they say  (suggest) the settings should be.
    In any case: what you are not getting is a "synchronization" , apparently.  There is one more thread about this exact same thing in the group from a couple of days ago, where the WFCO is reaching the "charged voltage", but not staying at that voltage before dropping off to "float" voltage.  In theory, this would not allow the shunt to "sync".
    You are also telling us the trailer has been out in the sun. Your solar controller settings seem to be correct.  I would: disconnect from shore power and let the solar charge the battery.  Find the "trends' page on the shunt, which will show you the battery voltage climbing as the battery reaches that magic charged voltage number.  
    Once it reaches that voltage, the shunt is "supposed" to sync itself.  If this doesn't happen...you may need to look closely at the battery voltage to see it is at the "charged voltage" level, and manually sync the shunt.
    Edit: try the solar with the battery switch off, if convenient.


    Following your advice this morning I have disconnected from shore and switched off the battery. Unfortunately no sun in the forecast for a week. 


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  • pthomas745pthomas745 Moderator Posts: 4,144
    @fay_anderson Ah, well.  Best laid plans and all that. Wait for the sun, let us know what you find out.
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  • fay_andersonfay_anderson Member Posts: 10
    Mother Nature took pity on me and the sun was out just enough to charge my system and I now have 100% on the shunt readout! I’m still not sure I understand why this happened but I’m very relieved to have my readings in alignment. Thank you Thomas and everyone for taking the time to help me problem solve. This community really is the best of humankind. 

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