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How I camped in sub-20 degree weather and lived to tell about it

jkjennjkjenn Member Posts: 6,391
edited October 2019 in Camping & Travel

“An adventure is only an inconvenience rightly considered. An inconvenience is only an adventure wrongly considered.” ― G.K. Chesterton


I just returned from a glorious 23 day trip that did not go exactly as planned. Although snow is a possibility any time you visit the Rocky Mountains, and especially if planning a fall trip, it is not exactly a common experience. Over the past 10 years I have occasionally encountered snow, but nothing disruptive. For those of you who know me, you know that I relish having my trip interrupted by snow. This year I got my wish in major ways.



Chuck & Kathy



My second cousin and mid-west T@bber, Mary



I had a very pleasant drive out, spending a night mooching-docking with Chuck & Kathy in Indiana, who had been my uCamp neighbors, having coffee with fellow T@bber and recently discovered second cousin, Mary Darrow and her husband in Ames, IA, and then finally landing in the Tetons, where my friend and fellow T@bber, Kim, met up with me. I boondocked in the national forest, where I enjoyed stellar views (see Campendium.com for more details) in an open area with a front row view of the Tetons and a wide open space that gave Rocky a lot of space to play frisbee at full tilt. This particular area is piloting a program with volunteer hosts to help keep the site clean and free from some of the problems that popular sites in Colorado have faced.



Here is a video of Kim arriving in the Tetons with her T@b:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DgQ-DK2EFk

When Kim arrived, we discussed the impending storm and worked our way northward, through Yellowstone, spending a night mooch-docking at the beautiful home of a friend of Kim's, that overlooked Helena, MT. This is where I first, I learned that we needed to shift our plans to camp in Two Medicine Campground in Glacier National Park due to an early season blizzard. I spoke with a couple locals who advised that West Glacier was the right place to go, and so I stocked up at the Helena Walmart, including the purchase of a shovel, and began the very scenic drive up to Great Falls, than Vallier, over Marias Pass, and into West Glacier.


Glacier Campground in West Glacier, MT

I took my T@b and my sister-in-law changed their RV rental through Outdoorsy, to Glacier Campground, just outside of the Apgar entrance to Glacier National Park. This was a beautiful, wooded campground with very private sites. The owner seemed to be amused by our enthusiasm to camp in this weather and graciously allowed us to stay past their closing date and gave us discounts! This campground is feels more like a forest service campground with hookups than a commercial campground and if camping in West Glacier and you need hookups, this place is wonderful.  All in all, we received no measurable snow in West Glacier but it was an easy place to camp and make day trips to the snowy areas. While in Glacier, the temps took a major dive, below 20 degrees at night and in the 20's during the day. 

Next, we traveled to Banff, where I camped at the Lake Louise Campground. This campground reminded me more of some of our busier NPS campgrounds where you are very close to neighbors with little privacy. Temperatures remained quite cold, and below freezing. Snow squalls followed us pretty much the entire time we were in Canada and it did not warm up until the day we left Canada. We took a quick drive up the Icefields Parkway, I camped a night at Wapiti Campground in Jasper, and then back down the parkway for a night at Tunnel Mountain II before our return trip to the US. While at Tunnel Mountain, I had the pleasure of meeting up with T@bber, Jennifer Tipping-Paulin and her partner, Scott. There were 4 T@bs and a T@g in the campground that night!



While at Tunnel Mountain, I learned that another major snowstorm was expected to hit Montana and the plains. When we returned to West Glacier, I realized I needed to make my way east if I wanted to be back at work on Monday, the 14th, so I headed towards Billings, first, then to Spearfish, SD. My logic was to get as far east as reasonable before the high winds arrived. I arrived on Tuesday, with near 80 degree temperatures and secured a spot at the KOA, which weas the only campground open this late. I had electric, sewer, cable, and wi-fi and access to the single bathroom in the office. The staff was rushing to get the water lines cleared and dealing with a broken air compressor. Temperatures plummeted on Wednesday and were in the teens by Thursday AM. The winds arrived on Wednesday, and I was glad to be stationary after dealing with high winds while driving from West Glacier to Billings. I had high winds on every part of my return drive until I reached Elkhart, IN, where it was still breezy, but not nearly as difficult as the winds on the plains.

Icefields Parkway and Glacier Hyperlapse:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8t0cRAx7sM



I departed Spearfish on Friday, pulling out of the snow, easily, with my Jeep, and headed east on I-90. I thought it might be nice to make a stop at the Badlands, but the road to the entrance was more snow-covered than not, so I turned around and headed east, where I lost count of how many semi's and cars I saw in the median from the westbound lane. The highway had frequently iced over from the wind blowing the snow and the high winds had toppled many high-profile trucks. I contemplated pulling over, but I deduced that all the mishaps seemed to be impacting westbound traffic and that the T@b was significantly lower in profile than what I had seen. I also had to keep moving to make it back for work, so I pressed on to Sioux Falls, SD, where I tried my hand at another KOA. I wanted shore power so that I could warm up the T@b as quickly as possible. It was not a great KOA. Practically right on I-90, there was substantial truck noise, all night. However, I did get the T@b all toasty, despite being caked in frozen slush from my Badlands excursion.

When I departed Sioux Falls, I was disheartened to see that the snow and high winds were following me into Minnesota, so at Albert Lea, I headed south into Iowa, where the weather followed me for about an hour, before gradually warming up into the 50's. Energized by clear roads, I kept going until I reached The Cracker Barrel in Elkhart, IN, just before they closed to pick up my take-out dinner order and retreat to the T@b to warm it up and give Rocky his supper, too.

Today, I wrapped up another wonderful T@b trip. Almost 7,500 miles, 23 nights, including exceeding my 200th night in the T@b, 8 US and Canadian National Parks and the Icefields Parkway, 8 other T@bbers, and a whole lot of great memories, later, I can happily say it was a wonderful trip.

So, now, the burning question: did I winterize? Nope. Here are the important details:

1. First and most importantly: I have a 5 gallon freshwater tank that is inside. That means I was able to keep that cupboard door open and everything was good.

2. I kept the bathroom door ajar.

3.  I used the sink, shower, and toilet, but kept RV antifreeze in the p-traps, especially starting in Spearfish.

4. I kept the bed made to allow the warm air to circulate more freely.

5. I kept the T@b heat higher than I prefer (remember, I like it cold.)

So far, I have discovered no apparent damage. It was a calculated risk to use the T@b plumbing without winterizing and I cannot comment on whether you would have similar experiences or not, especially with the outside freshwater tanks.

My apologies that the photo resizer seems to have crushed the image qualities of the photos. You can see higher resolution on either my or Rocky's Instagram accounts ( @jenngroverphotography @haverockywilltravel)

2021 T@b 320 Boondock "Mattie Ross" | 2021 T@b Nights: 239 | Total nights in a T@b 455 | 2022 Jeep Grand Cherokee L Overland | T@b owner since 2014

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    ChanWChanW Member Posts: 3,158
    Thanks for sharing Jenn. Your photos are beautiful!
    Chan  -  near Buffalo NY
    2014 S Maxx
    2011 Tacoma 4cyl ... edit: 2022 Tacoma 6cyl - oh yeah! 

     A_Little_T@b'll_Do_Ya
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    Sharon_is_SAMSharon_is_SAM Administrator Posts: 9,489
    Great trip Jenn!  Glad you are safely home.  I drove out of Moab up to Dead Horse State Park in snow, white knuckling it all the way!  I think we are discovering all the pex is kept warm when the Alde is on, but also, can be pretty forgiving with the freezing temps.
    Sharon / 2017 T@B CSS / 2015 Toyota Sienna Minivan / Westlake, Ohio
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    dCliffhangerdCliffhanger Member Posts: 120
    That's a great trip! Very similar to one I was hoping to do this Fall. I'd like to see the Aurora near Banff.  I was thinking that I needed to complete my basement insulation and heating project first. Then it dawned on me (duh).  You mentioned that nearly all campgrounds had closed even now. Somehow that being an issue hadn't occurred to me. So, would there be any adequate non-campground, or closed campground options available? Obviously I don't want to be hauling through deep snow and will need to access water refills from gas stations or such. Or, do you think I should re-aim my travel objectives further South until next Spring?
    Ron\ 2020 T@B 320-S Boondock Edge; Roof Solar, Firefly Grp31 Carbon Foam Battery; TV: 2019 Grand Cherokee Trailhawk 3.6l V6; Madison, Wi
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    jkjennjkjenn Member Posts: 6,391
    edited October 2019
    That's a great trip! Very similar to one I was hoping to do this Fall. I'd like to see the Aurora near Banff.  I was thinking that I needed to complete my basement insulation and heating project first. Then it dawned on me (duh).  You mentioned that nearly all campgrounds had closed even now. Somehow that being an issue hadn't occurred to me. So, would there be any adequate non-campground, or closed campground options available? Obviously I don't want to be hauling through deep snow and will need to access water refills from gas stations or such. Or, do you think I should re-aim my travel objectives further South until next Spring?
    The Canadian Parks clear the snow, so they are open. Glacier had not cleared the campsites of snow but you could shovel a site out, yourself! 

    2021 T@b 320 Boondock "Mattie Ross" | 2021 T@b Nights: 239 | Total nights in a T@b 455 | 2022 Jeep Grand Cherokee L Overland | T@b owner since 2014

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    ChanWChanW Member Posts: 3,158
    edited October 2019
    Bring your cross country skis and ice skates if your going to Canadian parks.
    MacGregor Point Provincial Park in Ontario has great ski trails, and they designate one camping loop to a skating rink, lights, Zamboni and all!
    They embrace winter camping, unlike us tenderfoots South of the border!
    Chan  -  near Buffalo NY
    2014 S Maxx
    2011 Tacoma 4cyl ... edit: 2022 Tacoma 6cyl - oh yeah! 

     A_Little_T@b'll_Do_Ya
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    BrianZBrianZ Member Posts: 1,763
    edited October 2019
    Wow, what an adventure you had, @jkjenn!  Thanks for sharing your great story & superb photos.

    PS:  Didn't Chesterton have it backwards?  (i.e., An inconvenience which is correctly considered becomes an adventure!)
    -Brian in Chester, Virginia
    TV: 2005 Toyota Sienna LE (3.3L V6)
    RV: 2018 T@B 320S, >100 mods 
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    MuttonChopsMuttonChops Member Posts: 1,592
    I was in the Tetons in early September.

    Cancelled the Montana return route to Seattle in late September / early October due to the snow Storm and High Wind forecast . . . .

    My boring I-80/84 drive was not weather conditions stressful !
    '18 320 Spitched axle, 3020HE; PNW based
    TV: '17 Colorado V6 Z71 4x4, Tow Package, GM Brake Controller
    Adventures:  51   Nights:  322  Towing Miles 41,200+
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    1968Healey1968Healey Member Posts: 64
    The Canadian parks clear the snow up until mid Oct - then many of them close.  You want to be careful.  As of this week, all of Glacier campgrounds are closed.  They post on their website when they open back up in the Spring.
    2020 T@B 400
    2019 Toyota Tacoma TRD Off-Road
    Seattle, WA
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    jkjennjkjenn Member Posts: 6,391
    Tunnel Mountain II and Lake Louise are both open, with electric, all winter. Their bathrooms and shower houses are also open.

    2021 T@b 320 Boondock "Mattie Ross" | 2021 T@b Nights: 239 | Total nights in a T@b 455 | 2022 Jeep Grand Cherokee L Overland | T@b owner since 2014

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    jkjennjkjenn Member Posts: 6,391
    You can also camp in the picnic area in Apgar. They close the CG but camping is still an option. It actually gives you lakeside camping.

    2021 T@b 320 Boondock "Mattie Ross" | 2021 T@b Nights: 239 | Total nights in a T@b 455 | 2022 Jeep Grand Cherokee L Overland | T@b owner since 2014

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    CherokeeCherokee Member Posts: 120
    looks like a Great trip!
    1999 Jeep Cherokee XJ (2" lift and 30" tires) 2019 T@B 320 Boondogle
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