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Are there new jacking points for the 2024 400s?

pthomas745pthomas745 Moderator Posts: 4,146
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There have been a couple of comments in this group about the "exposed axle" on the 2024 400's.  Apparently, no longer covered by the "coroplast" underbelly protection.

FB commenters this morning are now claiming that you can put a jack "anywhere on the exposed axle" during a discussion of the jacking points on the trailers.
I'm dubious about "anywhere", of course, and have demanded photos of the new 2024 axles and if they still have the "flange" at the end of the axle we have always described as the "jacking point".
Does anyone have a photo or first hand description of a 2024 400 "exposed" axle?  Is the 2024 320 axle "exposed" in the same way?  Is the jack "flange" at the end of the axle still exist?
2017 Outback
Towed by 2014 Touareg TDi
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  • xdrxdr Member Posts: 284
    here a few pics for you. No flange like the previous version. 
    I keep thinking the 24 400 has a beefier frame than our 21 400 had…maybe it because I can see more of it, but it looks heavier. 

    2021 2024 T@b 400 Black Canyon, 2020 Ram Rebel 1500  
    One man, one woman, two small dogs and a sense of humor.
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  • pthomas745pthomas745 Moderator Posts: 4,146
    Thank you so much.  So...what now?  Is "anywhere on the axle" good advice?  Is the best place for a jack now as close as possible to the tire on that square section?
    2017 Outback
    Towed by 2014 Touareg TDi
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  • EasternJLEasternJL Member Posts: 96
    Just chiming in-- the 2024 320 looks the same underneath.  I'm also curious where the jack would/should go.  It seems odd that it would go right under that thin piece of metal under the axle, but I'd like verification.  320 pictured.....
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  • Bill&SuzeBill&Suze Member Posts: 116
    pthomas745 said:

    Does anyone have a photo or first hand description of a 2024 400 "exposed" axle?  Is the 2024 320 axle "exposed" in the same way?  Is the jack "flange" at the end of the axle still exist?
    Here a re two more photos of the axle, front and back views parallel to the tire.




    Susan & Bill, Yarmouth, Maine
    2024 T@B 400 Boondock Black Canyon
    2024 Kia EV9
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  • Sharon_is_SAMSharon_is_SAM Administrator Posts: 9,849
    From the 2024 400 Manual:  “Place the jack on the chassis directly behind the wheel. Lift the trailer, being very
    careful that the jack does not slip off.”
    Sharon / 2017 T@B CSS / 2015 Toyota Sienna Minivan / Westlake, Ohio
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  • EasternJLEasternJL Member Posts: 96
    It would be great if someone could show a picture of a jack under a 2024 320 or 400 exactly where it should go-- or even circle the spot in a picture.  I feel like I'm pretty intuitive when it comes to these things, but I'm just not seeing an obvious spot "directly behind the wheel".  
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  • BinghiBinghi Member Posts: 359
    It looks to me like you could locate the jack at the bolted frame member or the exposed solid axle, but not the torsion arm. I would favor the frame member; only problem being it’s thin and you would have to make sure it doesn’t slip or slide on your jack.
    2021 400 BD / 2016 VW Touareg / Austin, TX
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  • Sharon_is_SAMSharon_is_SAM Administrator Posts: 9,849
    I just sent an email to NuCamp. We’ll see what they say.
    Sharon / 2017 T@B CSS / 2015 Toyota Sienna Minivan / Westlake, Ohio
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  • ScottGScottG Administrator Posts: 5,583
    edited August 2024
    Exposed or not, I believe that is the same torsion axle that has always been used on T@Bs. Jacking along the axle itself risks deforming the axle tube and damaging or otherwise interfering with the operation of the torsion bars inside of it. The image below shows how these axles are constructed, and gives a better sense of how they can be damaged. Regardless of what anybody says, I would jack only under the installation bracket (which I think is what nuCamp typically recommends) or under solid parts of the trailer frame.


    2015 T@B S

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  • pthomas745pthomas745 Moderator Posts: 4,146
    This is what finally NuCamp came back with last night.  "There is no longer an L bracket or plate for this, you will want to place your jack on the chassis behind the wheel, not in front of.”   So, the idea of not "using a jack on the axle" still holds.
    I had to flip their photo to get this perspective.  The axle is towards the middle bottom, in line with the hand.  (It has the white label).  The white circle is the area on the trailer "chassis behind the wheel".

    This is the original photo if it helps clear this up.


    2017 Outback
    Towed by 2014 Touareg TDi
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  • ScottGScottG Administrator Posts: 5,583
    Deja Vu all over again--IIRC that is what nuCamp used to recommend.
    Is that area of the frame covered by the coroplast in newer trailers? If so, it seems you'd have to be careful to hit the frame squarely and not booger up the plastic.
    2015 T@B S

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  • EasternJLEasternJL Member Posts: 96
    As @ScottG said-- that part of the frame is covered by the coroplast piece.  In fact, you can see in the pictures above that they have removed that plastic piece (which is sitting off to the side).  I'd hate to think about having removing that piece when the time comes to jack the camper-- on the side of the road, etc.  My thinking at the moment is that I'd try to come up with a way to put the jack under the "easy installation brackets", or get the jack square and try not to mess up the plastic.  
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  • PandL_explorePandL_explore Member Posts: 2
    Exactly, @ScottG and @EasternJL. Our 2024 TAB400 Boondock has exactly that problem. If alongside the road, we don't want to be messing with the corroplast (already had problems with screw stripping or coming loose and vanishing) and we don't want to "booger up" the plastic or its mounting bracket/trim piece.  We're looking at the mounting bracket. Since it is vertical and bolted to the frame, it looks strong, but because it is vertical, it doesn't provide a lot of surface area to sit securely on the beveled top (round, approximately 1.5" diameter) of the jack that we carry - the standard screw jack for the Toyota Tacoma. May be an image of text that says GET L ROOILY VEHTCLE TIMT 09111-04040 09111-
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  • andytabrvandytabrv Member Posts: 19
    I carry this "Big Red Jack" in my 2024 T@b 400. I am able to insert the tip of the jack up into the bracket so it is framed/bordered by one of the bolts and the axle.  I still worry about the stability of such a small point of contact (the jack could still fall).  I do place the bottle jack on a piece of 2x6 (or two) to give it height and stability, which is really a problem on unlevel ground.  I also carry an old screw scissor jack I picked up at a flea market to use as a backup jack-stand under the frame.  I place a block of wood as a pad between the corroplast and the scissor jack pad by picking a spot between the screws that hold the corroplast.  I will jack up the bottle jack some, then raise the scissor jack to match, back and forth until it's fully raised.  My current concern is the jack handle for the bottle jack is not long enough to get me far-enough out from under the trailer as I jack it (I need a longer rod.)

    Bottle jack: https://a.co/d/fiUips7

    Snippedand highlighted from @EasternJL 's previous post's image showing where I place the tip of the bottle jack.


    2024 T@b 400 BD  "Tabba the Hut" 
    2022 Nissan Pathfinder
    Cary, North Carolina
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