Are all [email protected] keys the same?

When I was shopping for [email protected], I noticed the dealer was using the same key for all the trailers he was showing. He mentioned that's how they all come from the factory and you have to order custom locks to have a unique key. Does the same hold true for the [email protected]? I'm assuming it's the same lock model that NuCamp uses regardless of [email protected] or [email protected]

I saw Verna's remote lock post and wondered if I might as well throw it on the upgrade list. I know it's not likely a fellow owner would be poking about in someone's trailer. I'm more concerned about RVs in general and if there are only a few model locks in use on the market. Kind of a peace of mind thing I guess. 

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  • ericnlizericnliz Posts: 4,441Member
    :rofl:, Ours & @Homebodyatheart, @Dalehelman's all opened 3 different year [email protected] Good part is...I KNOW where they live! :) ;)
    2016 [email protected] MAX S-aka: [email protected]
    TV: 2006 Chevy Avalanche LT Z71 aka: WhiteWolf, or 1972 Chevy Custom10 P/U aka: SnarlingWolf
    Spokane, Wa.
    Eric aka: Lone Wolf  


  • EstancioEstancio Posts: 213Member
    For decades, all BMW motorcycles in the world could all be started with the same key! Never once heard of any biker stealing another one's BMW. Curious how times change....
    Stancil Campbell
    2011 [email protected]
    Rockingham, NC

  • HvtymwiltravelHvtymwiltravel Posts: 51Member
    All I can add is when I was at the factory for some warranty work, they had a new 400 that had been shipped back from the dealer for warranty work.  It was shipped without the keys and Austin could not unlock the door until he had that particular key.   So at that time, for that model it seems as if the key was not universal.
    2017 [email protected] 400   TV  Colorado Duramax
  • LuckyjLuckyj Posts: 279Member
    Hum, I might have to stop by my dealer with my kees and start pocking around just to make sure.   :o
    2017 [email protected] Max Outback "Le Refuge"
    TV 2005 jeep TJ unlimited
    and/or 2005 Nissan X-Trail 4wd
    Alaskan Malamuthe on board!

    Les Escoumins and Petite-Riviere-St-Francois QC
  • Tabaz Tabaz Posts: 1,501Member
    I have a 2016 Outback with key number G345.  Went to a friend's house and tried it on his 2015 [email protected]  It opened his doors.  Will be ordering the 900 series lock tomorrow from rvlocksandmore.com tomorrow.  Wow. What an eye opener.
    2016 Outback 320 with a 2010 Ford Expedition.
  • Tabaz Tabaz Posts: 1,501Member

    Just confirmed that many manufacturers will order the same keyed lock for their trailers so they don't have to mess with hundreds of different keys.  I just ordered a 900 series replacement lock for my Outback from rvlocksandmore.com.  Best to call in your order if you want extra keys shipped with it.  Very nice people.

    2016 Outback 320 with a 2010 Ford Expedition.
  • Tabaz Tabaz Posts: 1,501Member
    Slip7 - yep, that's the one.  Comes with two keys.  Call them if you need extra.  Once cut to your lock, you'll get a serial number.  They will not make any replacement keys without that serial number.  Dealer master keys will not work with this lock.  Cheap insurance.
    2016 Outback 320 with a 2010 Ford Expedition.
  • Tabaz Tabaz Posts: 1,501Member
    I believe those cams replace the cargo door locks (not the entry door).  I think you can get the entry and cargo locks keyed alike.  Just need to measure the depth of the cargo door cam.
    2016 Outback 320 with a 2010 Ford Expedition.
  • pthomas745pthomas745 Posts: 891Member
    Thanks, Tabaz.  I went out and looked at the Tab's lock assembly and replacing the whole lock seems very easy.


  • TikiBarTabTikiBarTab Posts: 39Member
    This is an eye opener!  I had no idea!  Imagine if car manufacturers made their cars with universal keys!  
  • Michigan_MikeMichigan_Mike Posts: 2,531Administrator
    edited September 2017
    This is also a good time to remind others to check the screws on the locks and door jamb fittings to ensure they are tightened down good.  Over time they do tend to loosen up via travel and as I recall there was a member locked inside their trailer a year or two ago as the door lock jammed, trapping the individual inside his trailer and he was messaging the forum looking for advice on what to do.   :o =)
    Mike Smith 
    Linden, Mi
    2019 [email protected] 400
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  • RatkityRatkity Posts: 3,735Member
    Keep in mind that the plastic trim and some of the screws don't need to be torqued down hard. Like house vinyl siding, there's some expansion and contraction. Some light looseness is good to allow temp expansion. It doesn't take much... it's just a tiny, itty, bitty bit of not being tight. I hope you know what I mean. M_Mike is correct about bolts holding your bin, the keder rails, and other things that need to be tight!!! Some actually are in the "backing out" mode. Also take a gander at the sealing (silicone) and make sure it's still doing well. 
    2017 820R Retro Toy Hauler from 2015 Tabitha [email protected] from 2009 Reverse LG Teardrop (but a [email protected] at heart)
  • ericnlizericnliz Posts: 4,441Member
    @Michigan_Mike, & @Ratkity, Just finished (yesterday) putting the Wolf [email protected] to rest for the winter. Before closing the door, I checked (as Mike stated above) the lock & door jam screws. They ALL took about a quarter turn to snug them up. After having the door "snag" a little once, I check them periodically to avoid the scenario of either being locked in, or out. At least if you're inside, and have the right tool, you can take the lock apart to escape, outside, not so much. Screws are now tight, cover is on, and everything is well.....except I wish I could still go campin'.....life stuff is interrupting a LOT of things right now... :s
    2016 [email protected] MAX S-aka: [email protected]
    TV: 2006 Chevy Avalanche LT Z71 aka: WhiteWolf, or 1972 Chevy Custom10 P/U aka: SnarlingWolf
    Spokane, Wa.
    Eric aka: Lone Wolf  


  • RatkityRatkity Posts: 3,735Member
    @ericnliz, if you lived a leeeetle more south, you could camp with my crazy group (I'm the sane one) in October and November!
    2017 820R Retro Toy Hauler from 2015 Tabitha [email protected] from 2009 Reverse LG Teardrop (but a [email protected] at heart)
  • TabberJohnTabberJohn Posts: 431Member
    edited October 2017

    Common RV door and hatch locks are manufactured in bulk and allow use of a master key by model or series key code. The master key opens any lock of the same model while a series master key works on any lock of the same series.

    You are not going to prevent a determined thief from breaking into your trailer by changing the door lock. However, a uniquely keyed lock will prevent "opportunity theft" where an unscrupulous person with a master key walks up to your unoccupied trailer and lets themselves in. That could happen in broad daylight without anyone noticing. <sigh>

    RVLock states "This is a Non-Mastered Key Code Series That is Not Accessible With Any Master Key."
    That means serialized keys whether you opt for their 900 series exact replacement model ($35) or a high-end model with fob and keypad ($$$). You'll need the 3 digit number engraved on the series key and proof of prior purchase to obtain replacement keys.
    They also offer a Mechanical Entry Door Handle ($29.99) at RVlock.com which lists on Amazon. This model has slightly larger "ergonomic" finger pull indent. However, the interior door side of this lock is sturdy plastic, not metal. 
    The Security Series Entrance Lock ($35) is a direct replacement, 98% metal, and comes in white, black, or chrome. It is only available at RVlocksandmore.com.
    I ordered an RVlock Mechanical on Amazon before I knew the differences and decided to keep it. Metal sounds better though. =)
    I don't know what portion of the premium models are plastic.
    It is unclear what brand/model lock is on the [email protected] 400, but it looks more substantial than the common RV door lock on our 2015 [email protected] 320. 

    2015 [email protected] Max S (White/Silver) -> 2014 Ford Escape 2.0L (turbo, AWD, factory tow)
  • RatkityRatkity Posts: 3,735Member
    edited October 2017
    Some RVs are going to the "One Key" system that eliminates the CH751 key that is ubiquitous to all storage areas on RVs nearly everywhere. I won't say "all", but it's pretty close unless the folks have changed the locks. Because many folks know that RV/Camper keys are identical (primarily storage areas), there is a huge market for unique keying sets. I really like the electronic options. Best carry extra batteries for dem remotes! 

    I rode the motorcycle to an event and then couldn't start it to leave. Wha? Do'h, the bike I have has a keyless system. Just carry the fob. Why yes, I had two batteries for the fob (which needed two)! I impressed the dewds. There's a manual way, but it was easier to change the batteries. hehe.
    2017 820R Retro Toy Hauler from 2015 Tabitha [email protected] from 2009 Reverse LG Teardrop (but a [email protected] at heart)
  • CanyonTravelersCanyonTravelers Posts: 40Member
    Has anyone tried adapting home dead bolt lock to the [email protected] door, would solve the key issue.
  • Tabaz Tabaz Posts: 1,501Member

    The throw(?) of a common household deadbolt is probably is too wide (thick) for the narrow door frame.

    2016 Outback 320 with a 2010 Ford Expedition.
  • ChrisandAlexisChrisandAlexis Posts: 115Member
    I don't know much about the inner workings of a [email protected]B lock but if I can manage to remove the lock from our [email protected], can I take it to a locksmith and get it re-keyed?
    Chris and Alexis-- Roseville, California--2017 [email protected] CS-S--Toyota 4Runner
  • bramptontabbramptontab Posts: 16Member
    Our RV dealer stated that there is a master key for dealers for one of the two locks, the latch lock I believe, the deadbolt is unique on our 2017. 
    2017 [email protected] S Max
    2016 Toyota Venza 3.5V6
    2012 ShihPoo White
  • Tabaz Tabaz Posts: 1,501Member
    I don't know much about the inner workings of a [email protected] lock but if I can manage to remove the lock from our [email protected], can I take it to a locksmith and get it re-keyed?
    A new complete lock is only $35. Can't imagine a locksmith charging less than that.
    2016 Outback 320 with a 2010 Ford Expedition.
  • TowandaTowanda Posts: 1Member
    I have a 2010 Dutchman and need new keys for my door and my cassette toilet. What are my options?
  • dragonsdoflydragonsdofly Posts: 1,065Member
    @Towanda, welcome to the forum. You didn't specify if you just lost the keys or you are undergoing mechanical failure. But I think the options would be similar. Have a locksmith replace or rekey, or do it yourself. Most locksmiths are going to charge a premium for traveling to any location, so if you have easy access to your trailer, take it to a locksmith during normal shop hours and have them do the work there. That solution might save you considerable cost if you are not doing the work yourself. Good luck!
    2017 [email protected] sofitel([email protected])TV 2015 Silverado 2500hd(Behemoth). Wyandotte, Michigan.
    Draco dormiens numquam titilandus.
  • rajamarrajamar Posts: 101Member
    Tabaz said:
    I don't know much about the inner workings of a [email protected] lock but if I can manage to remove the lock from our [email protected], can I take it to a locksmith and get it re-keyed?
    A new complete lock is only $35. Can't imagine a locksmith charging less than that.

    Just had a local locksmith rearrange the wafers in our [email protected] 320S door locks and cut 4 keys for $30. The G345 key no longer works for our [email protected] (This, of course, only provides a relatively minor increase in security - wafer locks are easy to pick and most any RV door can be opened like a tin can with a crow bar.) The locksmith pointed out several loose screws - so periodic checks will definitely be on my list.
    2016 [email protected] S - TV 2004 Toyota Sienna
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