Dealer said [email protected] 400 4-Season. Hmm?

source3source3 Member Posts: 140
What can I say, I am skeptical.  Can anyone confirm that the 2021 has an enclosed freshwater tank or insulated with plastic somehow?  I know that most of the water lines are enclosed within the camper body but the dealer insisted that the coils from the Alde system keeps the insulated fresh water tank from freezing.
A photograph of the underside will quickly confirm my suspicions.
Andrew P. - KC5ZYF
2016 [email protected] Outback S Max
2006 Lexus GX470 (Toyota Land Cruiser 120)
Durango, CO

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  • CbusguyCbusguy Member Posts: 777
    Not 4 season.   There is some corrugated plastic that acts as a belly pan but not insulated and unless something has changed they do not mount the alde radiators below the trailer floor to heat the tanks from the factory.   Several forum posters have done some mods to make their campers work for them better on the winter......but I wouldn't call them 4 season campers even with the mods.

    I had my dealer pull some shenanigans like that during my purchase.......we did not buy from them but a dealer 400 miles away.     

    I would drop an email to nucamp and let them know who the dealer is so they can offer some education to them......hopefully they don't screw someone over who is less cautious than you
    2009 GMC Canyon,   3.7 liter 
    2020 320s Boondock lite, With Lots of mods
  • DougHDougH Member Posts: 690
    Yup, certainly wasn't the case before 2021.  NuCamp often works hand in hand with the community and incorporates ideas, feedback, and modifications in subsequent models.  But I think we would have heard if they'd used the extended Alde mod in the new 2021 campers.
    2014 328d diesel wagon, 2017 [email protected] S Max, D/FW Texas

  • dlbdlb Member Posts: 12
    A 400 is 4 season capable!  Just need to head far enough South.
  • Tundra57Tundra57 Member Posts: 525
    There is no such animal as a 4 season rated travel trailer where it functions as normal at all temps. I was actually told this by a salesman for a comany which makes 4 season campers. The insulation required for this would require a semi to tow it. Even if the tanks are heated when camped, you would still have to dump the fresh water and empty the pipes before towing unless you want to risk running the alde on gas, which has been advised against. You can camp in any weather in the Tab, but you gave to know its limitations.
  • jameskuzmanjameskuzman Member Posts: 139
    The term "four seasons" isn't specifically defined in the RV industry, which leaves its interpretation very broad. IMO, when most people ask about a camper being "four seasons" what they are usually asking is whether or not the water tanks, valves, and other associated plumbing fixtures are heated and insulated so that they can be used in sub-freezing (32F) temperatures. 

    By that definition, the [email protected] 400 is not a four seasons camper. As others have mentioned, the plastic belly pan provides some protection against damage on the road and probably has some aerodynamic benefits, but it does not make for an isulated enclosure and the tanks are not heated. 

    In theory, the Alde boiler has the capacity to provide enough hot glycol for additional radiators mounted on or near the tanks and there are some owners who have gone this route as a DIY project. Others have added electric pads under the tanks to keep them warm along with electric wraps for the gray and black water blade valves and/or the fresh water inlet. But these things don't exist from the factory. 

    Now, if you're just talking about the ability to go camping in cold weather and you're willing to winterize the camper and forego running water in sub-freezing temperatures, that's another story. I can personally attest to the Alde's ability to heat a 400 to 65+ degrees with outdoor temperatures in the low 20's and wind chills into the teens. 


    Jim Kuzman, Girard OH - 2019 [email protected] 400 - TV 2019 Volkswagen Atlas SE 4Motion w/ Factory Tow Package
  • TNOutbackTNOutback Member Posts: 414
    My [email protected] 400 is a “four season camper”  - as long as I have properly winterized the water/sewer system in freezing temperatures. ;)
    2020 [email protected] 400 BDL w/ solar
    2016 F-150 4x4 Crew, 3.5L Ecoboost
    Middle Tennessee
    YNWA LFC
  • db_cooperdb_cooper Member Posts: 590
    I'll add that while it's not a 4 season camper, it is well insulated and double paned windows really keep heat in.

    And it's better for boon docking than most 4 season campers because of the low electrical needs of the Alde. Almost all 4 season campers expect you to have hookups to heat tanks
    and run furnace blower.

    2015 Max S Outback | 2010 Xterra



  • jkjennjkjenn Member Posts: 5,934
    @skwhee has added tank insulators on their 400 and there is a pretty thorough thread in here, somewhere that covers that. It is definitely something worth considering if you a cold weather camper.

    2021 [email protected] 320 Boondock "Mattie Ross" | [email protected] Nights: 25 | 2018 Jeep Grand Cherokee Trailhawk | [email protected] owner since 2014

  • skwheeskwhee Member Posts: 245
    After we purchased our 2018 [email protected] 400 we wanted a way to be able to boondock in the shoulder seasons without having to winterize for a situation in which the temperatures would drop into the twenties overnight but warm up during the day. It doesn't make it a Four Season Camper but does provide more comfort when camping on the edges of winter and draws only 3.8amps while we are boondocking.

    Details of the tank heaters we ordered and had installed by nüCamp can be found on our website here:

    https://www.skwhee.com/our-modifications/

    Disclaimer: The products we reference on this site are the products we use or recommend. We do not get any financial compensation from any manufacturer or seller. Our web site is totally independent and not sponsored by any outside sources.
    Steve and Karen Cullowhee, North Carolina 2008 Ford F150 --2018 [email protected] 400
  • GatorEggGatorEgg Member Posts: 242
    Four season in a Florida only.  No [email protected] are not four season.
    2018 [email protected] Boondock 320S, 2019 Toyota Tacoma Sport 4x4
    Odessa, Fl.  

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