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2021 320S Boondock - System Details?

GC3GC3 Member Posts: 20
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My unit still in production. Can someone point me to a reference that has the technical details of the battery, electrical and solar system, to include capability, make and model of the components?  Consulting with a local technician on the right mods for my needs, so hoping to find something  useful to communicate the starting point.
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    VernaVerna Member Posts: 6,878
    GC3, we really don’t have any technical info on the 2021 320 models. They are still so new and the owners haven’t given us the info. Please contact your dealer for any info they might have. 

    When you get the info, it sure would be nice to share it with us so we can build up out knowledge. 

    We do know there is a new water system, the same Air8 A/C unit as last year, the same Alde as last year and that’s about it. There’s a new AC/DC Isotherm fridge, a new stove with igniter, new faucet in the kitchen sink and the new cassette toilet with sink. 

    You can search on 2021 to see what info you can find, also.    
    Verna, Columbus, IN
    2021 T@B 320S  Boondock “The T@B”
    Towed by a white 2019 Ford F-150 4x4 Supercab, 3.5L V6 Ecoboost “The Truck”
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    Sharon_is_SAMSharon_is_SAM Administrator Posts: 9,500
    The battery is provided by your dealer.  
    Sharon / 2017 T@B CSS / 2015 Toyota Sienna Minivan / Westlake, Ohio
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    VictoriaPVictoriaP Member Posts: 1,492
    And the exact battery installed on a 320 varies based on what your dealer has in stock. This can be negotiated, I had mine upgraded from group 24 wet cell to a group 27 AGM before it left the dealer’s lot.
    2019 320s BD Lite, white with blue (“Haven”)
    2015 Subaru Outback 3.6r (unsafe 200lb tongue weight limit until 2020 models)
    2020 Subaru Outback XT
    Pacific NW
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    GC3GC3 Member Posts: 20
    Buying from a local CO dealer without a great reputation for service, etc. So am not confident that's my best option for info or upgrading. But I'm going to ask again. 
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    ontheroadontheroad Member Posts: 485
    @GC3...if you're on FB...@jkjenn..has been putting out some amazing videos..FB T@B Camping Trailers...or Google Jenn Grover on you tube videos...
    Former 2017 T@G Max XL
    2021 T@B Boondock CS-S
    2018 Nissan Pathfinder
    Ontario, Canada
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    1991sb1991sb Member Posts: 27
    I asked about the solar “ package” listed on the window sticker on our new 2021 T@B 320 S and was provided these from Nucamp tech support. Hope they help

    Bill & Sharon
    New Mexico
    2021 T@B 320s (“T@Bañita”)
    2023 T@B 400 Boondock (“Redwing”)
    2020 Subaru Ascent (“Bubbles”)
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    MarkAlMarkAl Member Posts: 459
    edited July 2020
    Be aware the "Sunflare Solar.pdf is out of date for the 2021 320s. I was advised by nuCamp that the new panel is 105 Watts.
    Snohomish WA, 2015 Diesel Grand Cherokee
    Sm@ll World: 2021 320S Boondock, 6V Pb-acid
    Shunt, Roof & Remote solar & 30A DC-DC Chargers
    managed by VE Smart Network
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    GC3GC3 Member Posts: 20
    Dealership says standard battery in my package is single 12v Interstate marine lead acid. Offered $600 upgrade to two 6v "extreme duty" version of the same thing. I'm thinking not a very good deal....
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    jkjennjkjenn Member Posts: 6,391
    GC3 said:
    Dealership says standard battery in my package is single 12v Interstate marine lead acid. Offered $600 upgrade to two 6v "extreme duty" version of the same thing. I'm thinking not a very good deal....
    No, you can upgrade to 2, top of the line AGM golf cart batteries for that.

    2021 T@b 320 Boondock "Mattie Ross" | 2021 T@b Nights: 239 | Total nights in a T@b 455 | 2022 Jeep Grand Cherokee L Overland | T@b owner since 2014

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    Alex_OutdoorsAlex_Outdoors Member Posts: 3
    Since we're discussing batteries ... for the new TAB we are buying, I have on hand a "Vmaxtanks VMAXSLR125 AGM 12V 125Ah SLA Rechargeable Deep Cycle Battery" I bought to run AC lights through an inverter during an art show, and have been refreshing approx monthly. Have a box for it. May need it for that purpose again - but not any time soon :-( Debating whether to get the basic install from the dealer and start with that and switch to this later, or just use this? The "you'll fry your first battery while you learn" comment in the other thread has me thinking to just take the dealer stock one to start, but would appreciate suggestions. 
    Thanks - Alex

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    pthomas745pthomas745 Moderator Posts: 3,653
    I've been lucky not to kill my first trailer battery.  It is almost 4 years old now. ( I destroyed several while tent camping with my first too small solar panels.)    I fumbled around a bit at first, but with the help on this Forum I learned to monitor my battery.  I learned what an amp hour was, how many I had to use in my battery and how many amp hours my trailer might use.  I used the simple plug in monitors and watched my voltage levels and had a copy of the "State Of Charge" chart taped to the Tab walls, taped another to the top of the battery box.  This strategy worked for the whole first year.  One day the plug in meter fell into the sink and fried.  I went out and bought a 20 dollar multimeter, and sat at the campsite and learned how to use it.  Then I learned what a 'rested" battery was, and with the multimeter I realized my power use and battery status were much better than I thought. I get more from my simple battery than I ever imagined.
    Tonight on Facebook there are multiple owners with failed solar installs and "no power from the batteries" and because they don't have a simple multimeter or a plug in battery meter they are completely lost to find a solution or sort out answers.   Not their fault, really. This is not a skill I ever thought I would have or even needed.   But anyone who wants to "boondock", who hasn't sorted out how to monitor a battery might have problems.
    2017 Outback
    Towed by 2014 Touareg TDi
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    VernaVerna Member Posts: 6,878
    Not all of us fried our first batteries. My first battery on my T@B S Max was traded in for one of my two 6V golf cart batteries six months after I got the T@B. My two 6V AGM batteries in my T@B 400 are still chugging along very strong. 

    I read a lot and I knew what not to do. 
    Verna, Columbus, IN
    2021 T@B 320S  Boondock “The T@B”
    Towed by a white 2019 Ford F-150 4x4 Supercab, 3.5L V6 Ecoboost “The Truck”
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    Sharon_is_SAMSharon_is_SAM Administrator Posts: 9,500
    I wonder if the nuCamp Repair dept would fit two 6 volts on a new trailer coming off the line. Never hurts to ask.
    Sharon / 2017 T@B CSS / 2015 Toyota Sienna Minivan / Westlake, Ohio
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    Sean_DebSean_Deb Member Posts: 9
    I don't believe they can ship on a delivery truck with "live" batteries on board.
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    Sharon_is_SAMSharon_is_SAM Administrator Posts: 9,500
    Well they ship the 400s with a battery in place. They could simply create the space required for 2 batteries and let the dealer place the batteries, too.
    Sharon / 2017 T@B CSS / 2015 Toyota Sienna Minivan / Westlake, Ohio
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    Denny16Denny16 Member Posts: 5,445
    The front gas/battery tub is shipped inside the TaB, but the 6VDC AGM batteries nuCamp uses for the taB 400 may be too big for the 320 battery area?
    Cheers
    2018 TaB400 Custom Boondock,  Jeep Gladiator truck, Northern California Coast.
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    Sharon_is_SAMSharon_is_SAM Administrator Posts: 9,500
    So, we had our tub customized to fit a 150 amp AGM battery.  The factory welded a new battery and propane frame as well as a custom battery box.  The battery was shipped to our dealer and they assembled the tub components.  I think you can still have this done after the production line.  And you are right, they don’t ship the batteries in the tub - my bad.
    Sharon / 2017 T@B CSS / 2015 Toyota Sienna Minivan / Westlake, Ohio
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    Denny16Denny16 Member Posts: 5,445
    No worries, and you have a great suggestion about after-build add on in the repair shop.
    cheers
    2018 TaB400 Custom Boondock,  Jeep Gladiator truck, Northern California Coast.
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    jkjennjkjenn Member Posts: 6,391
    Denny16 said:
    The front gas/battery tub is shipped inside the TaB, but the 6VDC AGM batteries nuCamp uses for the taB 400 may be too big for the 320 battery area?
    Cheers
    Nope! Plenty of room.

    2021 T@b 320 Boondock "Mattie Ross" | 2021 T@b Nights: 239 | Total nights in a T@b 455 | 2022 Jeep Grand Cherokee L Overland | T@b owner since 2014

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    ontheroadontheroad Member Posts: 485
    @jkjenn, @Denny16... especially with the new and improved 2021 front tub!
    Former 2017 T@G Max XL
    2021 T@B Boondock CS-S
    2018 Nissan Pathfinder
    Ontario, Canada
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    GC3GC3 Member Posts: 20
    edited July 2020
    Here's the response from Creed at Nucamp Customer Service:

    "We don’t have any schematics available at this time. but I will try to list some of the electrical components.

     Solar Controller – Victron Smart Solar Controller 75/10 https://www.victronenergy.com/solar-charge-controllers/smartsolar-mppt-75-10-75-15-100-15-100-20

     Converter – WFCO 8700 series https://wfcoelectronics.com/product/wf-8735-35-amp/

     Solar Panel – 105Watt Sunflare Flexible solar panel

     That’s really all I can think of that you’ll need when – if there other electrical components that you need info on please let me know "

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    ontheroadontheroad Member Posts: 485
    @GC3...at the bottom of the nuCamprv.com web site you can download the manuals ahead of your trailer arrival...also the winterizing steps are there too..I found the more I learned before purchasing/ picking up the less frustrating it was...oh and yes driveway camp too... it's worth it!
    Former 2017 T@G Max XL
    2021 T@B Boondock CS-S
    2018 Nissan Pathfinder
    Ontario, Canada
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    mrdeepfryguymrdeepfryguy Member Posts: 73
    @gc3. Here are some pics / specs on the Air8 A/C unit
    2021 320 S Boondock / 2018 Toyota 4Runner / NE Ohio
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    ArayAray Member Posts: 16
    Received an email from Raphael at T@B today saying Air8 is now 6500 BTUs.
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    DougHDougH Member Posts: 1,110
    I use an LG window unit in my 320.  Their 6000BTU models list at ~500W (https://www.lg.com/us/air-conditioners/lg-LW6019ER-window-air-conditioner 480W)(https://www.lg.com/us/air-conditioners/lg-LW6017R-window-air-conditioner 520W).  Makes it more feasible to run off solar and batteries for a few hours.

    So why is the Air8 almost twice the power requirement?
    2021 Jeep Gladiator, 2021 tiny toy hauler, Austin TX
    Former steward of a 2017 T@B S Max

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    jkjennjkjenn Member Posts: 6,391
    DougH said:
    I use an LG window unit in my 320.  Their 6000BTU models list at ~500W (https://www.lg.com/us/air-conditioners/lg-LW6019ER-window-air-conditioner 480W)(https://www.lg.com/us/air-conditioners/lg-LW6017R-window-air-conditioner 520W).  Makes it more feasible to run off solar and batteries for a few hours.

    So why is the Air8 almost twice the power requirement?
    It's less than 11 amps. Still less power than the Norcold three way on DC. 😁

    It does a lot better job. The window units never pulled out that much moisture and the Air8 does a great job dehumidifying. Also, it would take more power to blow air through the ducts.

    2021 T@b 320 Boondock "Mattie Ross" | 2021 T@b Nights: 239 | Total nights in a T@b 455 | 2022 Jeep Grand Cherokee L Overland | T@b owner since 2014

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    DougHDougH Member Posts: 1,110
    @jkjenn True that.  My new ICECO GO20 12V fridge uses up to 50W when cooling down in combination fridge / freezer mode, but uses half that when in average fridge mode.  And I read with sadness about all the woes folks have cooling down the Norcolds, so ran another test a couple days ago, now that I've had the ICECO over many more miles of bumpy roads. Starting in the 80s in the morning for fridge temperature, it was at freezing in under five minutes.  I wish absorption fridges would just depart the RV industry, or at least be gone by the time I try to buy my next camper.

    Some of the window A/C units have a dry mode, but I've never been able to find any specs on how many gallons a day they can take out of the air.  The southern coast states would almost be livable in summer if HVACs could just keep the humidity at 45%.  We just sprung for a brand new SEER 17 two stage variable speed heat pump for the stix-n-brix (old unit croaked).  When it's above 100F, we're lucky to keep the internal humidity at 65%.  Yuck.  Our installer said the unit could only pull out 6-8 gallons a day for an average size house.  Sounds like, for its size, the Air8 dehumidifies much better.
    2021 Jeep Gladiator, 2021 tiny toy hauler, Austin TX
    Former steward of a 2017 T@B S Max

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