Permanent Side to Side Sleeping for [email protected] 320 S

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  • SolidCamperSolidCamper Member Posts: 7
    @AnOldUR I found your modification very interesting. Your excellent photos have helped me to understood better what's going on back there.  I'm relatively new to my TAB and was unclear, until reading your post, where exactly the glycol tank was, and how the heat exits or doesn't :). My TAB is of the same vintage as yours, and I plan to check it for proper venting when I return to it.
    Can I ask- what is the actual final width of the bed?
    MarvinD- Newton, MA, USA  2020 [email protected] 320S Boondock Lite/ TV: 2013 Chevy Avalanche 
  • AnOldURAnOldUR Member Posts: 343
    edited March 23
    @SolidCamper ... Thanks. Lots of informative pictures and info posted here by other forum members too.

    We did cut the length of the mattress yesterday. Made it a much better fit. It’s now a 70.5” long x 54” wide.

    I got a lot of negative feedback on relocating the glycol expansion tank, but it’s been working fine that way for over a week with no noticeable down side. Time will tell, but I see no reason to change it.

    Good luck!
    2020 nuCamp [email protected] 320S * 2D Jeep Wrangler * Stockton, New Jersey

  • ScottGScottG Moderator Posts: 4,760
    It seems to me that so long as the "upper" mark on the glycol tank is above the top of the Alde (specifically the top of the Alde's internal glycol chamber), everything should work fine.

    I suppose if the camper was tipped nose up at an extreme angle, the top of the tank could end up below the Alde, and glycol would overflow the tank. This may be the reason Alde recommends the spacing that they do.

    It's also possible the increased height creates a standpipe effect that facilitates the return of glycol from the tank to the Alde, but I would think the circulator pump would be adequate to keep the glycol moving.  
  • AnOldURAnOldUR Member Posts: 343
    @ScottG ... I though about raising the front of the trailer being a problem, so jacked it up as far as it would go and it was OK. The worse case would be that I'd lose some glycol out the overflow onto the ground if it were a more severe angle.
    I talked to my engineer son about this. He said the probable reason is that the additional pump head from the higher mount could prevent cavitation. He said if that was an issue, I should notice vibration or noise coming from the pump and possibly air bubbles in the expansion tank.
    Funny (or not) thing is that the nuCamp tech was never able to give me a reason for the mounting requirement. He just kept repeating what the manual said. Never once mentioned cavitation.
    2020 nuCamp [email protected] 320S * 2D Jeep Wrangler * Stockton, New Jersey

  • DougHDougH Member Posts: 1,110
    I often hear / see roiling in the expansion tank as if cavitation is unfortunately endemic to the design. To reduce risk of impeller / pump failure, I suppose you could turn the pump control either on the control panel, pump control unit, or both down from 1.5 or 2 down to a lower setting like 1, and see if you still get adequate circulation and heating. But if your expansion tank doesn't act like its boiling during normal heating, I wouldn't bother.
    2021 Jeep Gladiator, 2021 tiny toy hauler, Austin TX
    Former steward of a 2017 [email protected] S Max

  • AnOldURAnOldUR Member Posts: 343
    Seat cushions (actually repurposed dog beds) got here this morning. When ordering, I gave it a 50/50 chance that they'd be going back to Amazon, but seeing them in place, they are keepers.


    2020 nuCamp [email protected] 320S * 2D Jeep Wrangler * Stockton, New Jersey

  • Tabaz Tabaz Member Posts: 2,148
    Just curious - where does the heat from the rear convectors enter the cabin?
    2016 Outback 320 with a 2010 Ford Expedition.
  • AnOldURAnOldUR Member Posts: 343
    edited April 1
    @Tabaz .. The stained board across the back is spaced about a 1/8” out from the white panel.
    2020 nuCamp [email protected] 320S * 2D Jeep Wrangler * Stockton, New Jersey

  • Tabaz Tabaz Member Posts: 2,148
    Got it. Hard to tell from the photos.
    2016 Outback 320 with a 2010 Ford Expedition.
  • AnOldURAnOldUR Member Posts: 343
    edited April 1
    We made an appointment to bring our [email protected] to the local dealer, Miller’s in PA, on April 8th. Curious to see the reaction to this mod. Preparing for a wrist slapping.  :o
    2020 nuCamp [email protected] 320S * 2D Jeep Wrangler * Stockton, New Jersey

  • DougHDougH Member Posts: 1,110
    @AnOldUR I called them up this morning. They said they're planning on putting you on a $50k a month retainer for any future camper modification designs customers ask for... across the various lines of RV they carry.
    2021 Jeep Gladiator, 2021 tiny toy hauler, Austin TX
    Former steward of a 2017 [email protected] S Max

  • AnOldURAnOldUR Member Posts: 343
    edited April 1
    @DougH ... That 50k / month would really help with my wimpy retirement fund, but they'd soon see that I'm a one horse pony show. I did send them an email for an opinion of a mod. They came back with, "Unfortunately we can't comment when it comes to aftermarket modifications​." My guess is they were trying to be polite and did not want to criticize what I had done.
    2020 nuCamp [email protected] 320S * 2D Jeep Wrangler * Stockton, New Jersey

  • AnOldURAnOldUR Member Posts: 343
    edited April 1
    DougH said:
    ... But if your expansion tank doesn't act like its boiling during normal heating, I wouldn't bother.
    Checked this out yesterday. When the pump is running I could see movement in the expansion tank, but no bubbles at all. Just enough to confirm that there is circulation. Also, before you mentioned it, I didn't know that you could control the pump speed. It's was set on 1, so that probably aids in reducing cavitation. I bought the trailer used. Is 1 the default setting for a 2020 320S?

    2020 nuCamp [email protected] 320S * 2D Jeep Wrangler * Stockton, New Jersey

  • Sharon_is_SAMSharon_is_SAM Administrator Posts: 7,805
    @AnOldUR - glycol pump speed about 1.5 to 2 is plenty for the 320.  Just know that you must set it at the control at the Alde.  The Alde display pump control does not work.
    Sharon / 2017 [email protected] CSS / 2015 Toyota Sienna Minivan / Westlake, Ohio
  • AnOldURAnOldUR Member Posts: 343
    edited April 14
    Home from a real life test with three nights camping. One at a Harvest Host the other two at a State park. My wife and I were very pleased with how this setup worked.
    Anyone else have to fight with a dog for foot space?

    2020 nuCamp [email protected] 320S * 2D Jeep Wrangler * Stockton, New Jersey

  • fstop32fstop32 Member Posts: 148
    Yep, with our German Shepherd!  That's what pushed me to drop the coins for a Lagun table mount (our 2015 2nd owner came with the original table that takes up most of the floor space.  With the Lagun we reclaimed the path to the "in house"!
    DaveR middleTN - 2015 320S  /  TV 2003 Tundra 4x4
  • Sharon_is_SAMSharon_is_SAM Administrator Posts: 7,805
    The sleeping side to side is really the best of both worlds as you can leave half of the bench for seating.  Sweet!
    Sharon / 2017 [email protected] CSS / 2015 Toyota Sienna Minivan / Westlake, Ohio
  • SubaruLouSubaruLou Member Posts: 110
    I love the privacy screen/chalkboard on the privy door!
    2019 [email protected] 320 S  |  2019 Subaru Ascent
  • AnOldURAnOldUR Member Posts: 343
    AnOldUR said: Anyone else have to fight with a dog for foot space?
    fstop32 said:
    Yep, with our German Shepherd!
    We learned a lot of things on our first outing. Among them was that our [email protected] is plenty big enough for the two of us, but adding a 60lb dog to the mix makes it a challenge. More experience and some training and we’ll be fine. She’s part of the family.
    2020 nuCamp [email protected] 320S * 2D Jeep Wrangler * Stockton, New Jersey

  • fstop32fstop32 Member Posts: 148
    @AnOldUR, that's a pretty awesome mod you did there!  
    In your very first posted pic where you have already removed the shelf cubbie and the two wing pieces...was the rest of your headboard a one piece U shaped piece or was it a bottom cross piece with the two side upright pieces mounted on top of it?  I can't quite tell from the pic if it was one piece or not.
    I'll be rebuilding mine before too long and I wanted to alter my 2015 to look more like what your 2020 does.  I'm going to drop my convectors down to the tailpiece floor where yours were originally and then build the cubbie to drop in like yours did (originally).  Our 2015 only had a shelf and I'd love to add the storage space.  We sleep "twin bed style" and I built my table with wings that fold up so at bedtime we can swing the now narrow table between us for a "bed side table".
    DaveR middleTN - 2015 320S  /  TV 2003 Tundra 4x4
  • AnOldURAnOldUR Member Posts: 343
    fstop32 said:
    ... was the rest of your headboard a one piece U shaped piece ...
    Yes, it is a single u shaped piece. I’ll be interested to see/read how this works out for you.
    2020 nuCamp [email protected] 320S * 2D Jeep Wrangler * Stockton, New Jersey

  • AnOldURAnOldUR Member Posts: 343
    edited May 14
    My wife didn't like the dog bed seat cushions, so she took on the project of cutting down the factory cushions the 6" needed to fit after adding the new larger mattress. She did a really nice job of restiching the covers. They look more professional than my dog bed solution and are a lot more comfortable.
    Before:
    After:

    2020 nuCamp [email protected] 320S * 2D Jeep Wrangler * Stockton, New Jersey

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