Spare Tire moved to Tongue - detail and pics

dsfdogsdsfdogs Posts: 313Member
edited October 2018 in Modifications & Upgrades
Yesterday was a big day, I finally got my spare tire moved to the tongue! (Doing this sort of thing is brand new to me). Thanks to this forum and the [email protected] Camping Facebook group, I knew what I needed and how to safely remove the tire off the bottom of the trailer. I like detail and pictures, so I'm sharing for anyone else that needs/wants this info, and lessons learned.

@ericnliz, this paragraph from one of your posts was extremely helpful and I followed your advice-THANK YOU! 
 The one I ordered is: MAXXHAUL 70214 Powder Coat Black Trailer Spare Tire Carrier $16.99
To mount to the jack tube, you'll need: two "U" bolts, with washers, and I would recommend NYLOCK nuts to secure the "U" bolts. Word of advise, take the mount with you, so you make sure you get the right size "U" bolts. I also bought a rubber "pad" spacer for use between the "U" bolts and the jack tube to avoid damage, and so it wouldn't have tendency to slide around at all. Another suggestion: Mount the spare tire to the tire carrier first, then put it up on the trailer frame for support. makes it a WHOLE lot easier to adjust the "U" bolts on the jack tube.
Parts:
Tire carrier: same as above from Amazon
"U" bolts: I finally found mine at Fastenal (Ace & Home Depot had something different). These are thicker metal and about 3" across and 3 1/2" long (sorry I didn't take a pic before using) and per above, I took the carrier with me to ensure the ends would fit through the holes (after one return to Home Depot).
Rubber pad: found at Ace 6"x6"x3mm thick**
Nylocks and washers: from Fastenal, see pic below for info.
* Whichever U bolts you buy, ensure they are long enough to fit around 2" jack tube, + rubber mat, + carrier, + washer and still have enough threads for the nut.
**Some have reported the rubber pads not weathering well so are trying a clear or rubber tube to use around the U Bolt.

I stacked up two columns of Lynx leveling pads under the spare tire to help ensure it wouldn't fall on me. Someone suggested loosening up both nuts until almost off, then pressing one side of tire up towards trailer with one hand, remove first nut and lower that side of tire. Then do the same with the other nut. With the tire sitting on the two stacks of leveling pads, I pulled it out from under trailer.

But I digress...while one nut came off as expected, the other nut was cross-threaded (thank you to the RV Dealer that installed the tire). Thank goodness I had bought the breaker bar/sockets recommended by @Verna. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00RF95TDC/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o06_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 because it was put to use. My strong neighbor actually had to use his foot and leg strength to push the breaker bar 1/2 turns at a time, over and over, until the screw finally broke off. Shame on the person at the dealer; thankfully we were in my garage and not on the side of the road. Lesson learned: even if you don't move the spare, check the tire pressure (Eric's lesson) AND try taking the nuts off.

I attached the tire to the carrier first and set it on the trailer. Lesson learned: The bolts holding the tire to the carrier are long enough that I needed to go buy an extra deep 3/4" socket so I could fully tighten the nuts. (The 3/4" socket that came with the breaker bar were not quite deep enough).


To avoid the metal of the carrier against the metal of the jack tube I ended up cutting 1" off the rubber pad and Gorilla gluing it to the carrier. (A bigger piece of rubber pad that would have encircled the whole jack tube would have worked as well). 




Then using my left knee, left shoulder and both hands, scooted the tire over and adjusted the rubber pad/bolts to line up with the holes, put on the washers and get nuts started. Make sure the flat plate on carrier is flat against jack tube.



This baby isn't going anywhere!


If I decide to put on a tire cover then I'll get to practice taking off the spare.

I removed the tire carrier from under the trailer--here it is, with broken screw inside the bolt.




Please, if anyone sees something wrong, let me know!
Debbie in Oregon
2018 [email protected] 320 S/2019 Toyota 4Runner SR5
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  • jgram2jgram2 Posts: 1,238Member
    Absolutely great tutorial and photos! This should help countless people in the future! Thank You.
    John, Judi, Guinness & OD in PDX
    [email protected]@t 2015 S Max Outback, ‘06 V8 4Runner 


  • dsfdogsdsfdogs Posts: 313Member
    @Twojgrams thank you-I've received so much help, it's my pleasure to pass along anything to help.
    Debbie in Oregon
    2018 [email protected] 320 S/2019 Toyota 4Runner SR5
  • ericnlizericnliz Posts: 4,437Member
    @dsfdogs, Glad I was able to give someone tips that helped them out! I used the same rubber pad as yours. If you decide on a spare cover, you don't need to completely remove the spare. Loosen the "U" bolts just enough so you can lift the tire up enough to scoot the cover underneath. Leave them loose until you have the cover fully on though. Makes it much easier to install. Nice job on the spare! :)
    2016 [email protected] MAX S-aka: [email protected]
    TV: 2006 Chevy Avalanche LT Z71 aka: WhiteWolf, or 1972 Chevy Custom10 P/U aka: SnarlingWolf
    Spokane, Wa.
    Eric aka: Lone Wolf  with,
    Ruger aka: Adventure Companion

  • Restless_NativeRestless_Native Posts: 116Member
    Great tutorial! This has been on my to-do list for 2 years!
    Amanda, Ft. Myers, FL [email protected] 2017 [email protected] CS-S  , TV: 2013 Chevy Equinoz LTZ

  • gooseladygooselady Posts: 131Member
  • 4ncar4ncar Posts: 470Member
    Nothing “wrong” per se, but I would have suggested (and used) stainless steel nut, bolts & washers. Don’t think SS u bolts are available, but the SS won’t rust & fuse....FYI 
    TV- '14 Jeep GC Eco Diesel & '09 JKU 
    2018 320S Outback
  • brookingsbrookings Posts: 39Member
    Boo on you NuCamp. putting the spare tire in the worst possible place. I scraped mine pulling into the gas station the first day bringing it home from the dealer. I took mine off on a nice sunny day. Awful. Image having to take it off in the middle of the night in six inches of freezing mud. Then.. What to do with the filthy blown tire and wheel.  I put mine in a large leaf bag under the seat and you still have room for tools, hoses, electric cords etc. You can put the blown tire in the bag and seal. no mess. NuCamp could easily put a bracket across the back for a mount. Like Outback but smaller. Cost? $50/$60.

     
  • TaB2goTaB2go Posts: 57Member
    They have done the same with the LGMax, will have to move mine to a spare tire carrier, that goes in the receiver hitch at the rear of the trailer. about $80, or so. eeek! But maybe not so much work, did the same thing with my TAB MAX S as you did, good job, by the way. Jim
  • KferKfer Posts: 12Member
    Hi which model do you have for your [email protected]?  We are interested in mounting our spare tire on the tongue and we have a 2016 outback [email protected] 
  • dsfdogsdsfdogs Posts: 313Member
    @Kfer I'm not sure who you are asking, but mine is a 2018 320S. 
    Debbie in Oregon
    2018 [email protected] 320 S/2019 Toyota 4Runner SR5
  • NanNan Posts: 7Member
    Does anyone know the weight, in lbs, of the spare tire? I too am going to mount it on my tongue, along with an "upnfront" bicycle upright receiver and concerned about tongue weight. 
    Bossed around by Italian Greyhounds! Traveling in 2018 CS-S pulled by a 2015 Honda Odyssey. Loving all life's adventures! 
  • Sharon_is_SAMSharon_is_SAM Posts: 3,946Moderator
    40 pounds is what I remember.
    Sharon / 2017 [email protected] CSS / 2015 Toyota Sienna Minivan / Cleveland Heights, Ohio
       
                                           
  • NanNan Posts: 7Member
    Thank you @Sharon_is_SAM that keeps the weight under the calculations of 11-15% of GAWR.
    Bossed around by Italian Greyhounds! Traveling in 2018 CS-S pulled by a 2015 Honda Odyssey. Loving all life's adventures! 
  • ScottGScottG Posts: 2,869Moderator
    Keep in mind that because you are also removing weight from behind the wheel, relocating the tire to the tongue will likely add more than 40lbs to your tongue weight.

    The actual amount depends on distance from the fulcrum and other physics stuff I'd rather not think too much about. In hindsight, I wish I had weighed mine before and after the move, but I ain't puttin' that tire back underneath now just to satisfy my curiosity!  :-)

    Since every application differs, the best bet is to weigh your own tongue with your [email protected] loaded in typical traveling fashion. You can use a bathroom scale and a block of wood to do this, but make sure the [email protected] is level when you do so and raising/lowering the front can have a surprising effect on tongue weight.
  • rcuomorcuomo Posts: 170Member
    Nan- I weighed my spare at 44#. My tongue weight with bike carrier, spare and two bikes was just under 289#. 

    2018 Tab 320S- mfg’d 4/17, purchased 9/17
    Mods- spare & bike rack on tongue, Renogy suitcase connection, cargo & door nets, sway bar, wired rear camera, Norcold aux fan
    TV 2017- Honda Ridgeline RTL-E- 5000# tow capacity, 600# tongue capacity
    Home Base- Huntington LI
  • NanNan Posts: 7Member
    @rcuomo your set up is similar to how I will be setting up mine and when I took into account the tongue weight with LP & battery (from the nucamp website) I get a similar #s number. Thanks so much for the info and picture.
    @ScottG I will have to try the wood/bathroom scale technique this weekend. Thanks!
    Bossed around by Italian Greyhounds! Traveling in 2018 CS-S pulled by a 2015 Honda Odyssey. Loving all life's adventures! 
  • sephajsephaj Posts: 16Member
    @dsfdogs, I was just on the Fastenal site, and need to have more specifics about which U Bolt you bought. Sorry for my inexperience, but there's no U bolt that is 3 x 3 1/2. Also, what material is the one you got? Thanks in advance!
  • dsfdogsdsfdogs Posts: 313Member
    @sephaj well phooey! I have a Fastenal store in my town so did not shop online. I took in the tire carrier and tested out the right size U bolt in store. It didn't come in a package so I'm not positive of sizes. I took some pictures, below, to show thread length and width of the metal. The jack tube is 2". The inside dimension of the U bolt is 2 1/2".  After filtering for dimensions on the Fastenal site, I think this is as close as I can figure: 1/4"-20 x 2" Pipe Size 304 Stainless Steel Round Bend U-Bolt. Maybe you have a store in your town? Or I might suggest once you get the carrier, take it with you to test out. I'm sorry I can't be more specific.



    Debbie in Oregon
    2018 [email protected] 320 S/2019 Toyota 4Runner SR5
  • DalehelmanDalehelman Posts: 1,755Member
    A 2 1/4” muffler clamp fits perfectly.

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  • Sparky13Sparky13 Posts: 12Member
    Wow, follow the “tutorial” above and you’ll soon be sporting your spare tire on the tongue, I bought exactly what he listed and did it myself. 62yo woman, crawling under my [email protected] neighbors were amused. Anyway, be SURE you stack something (I used spare boards) under that spare while removing it so  it won’t drop on your noggin or an arm.
  • Sharon_is_SAMSharon_is_SAM Posts: 3,946Moderator
    Good for you @Sparky13!
    Sharon / 2017 [email protected] CSS / 2015 Toyota Sienna Minivan / Cleveland Heights, Ohio
       
                                           
  • ericnlizericnliz Posts: 4,437Member
    @Sparky13, Oh, NOW you tell me about supporting the spare..... :rofl: ;)
    2016 [email protected] MAX S-aka: [email protected]
    TV: 2006 Chevy Avalanche LT Z71 aka: WhiteWolf, or 1972 Chevy Custom10 P/U aka: SnarlingWolf
    Spokane, Wa.
    Eric aka: Lone Wolf  with,
    Ruger aka: Adventure Companion

  • ChanWChanW Posts: 2,200Member
    Nan, keep in mind that you can always "adjust" your tongue weight by shifting your gear around inside the Tab. If your tongue weight gets too heavy, move some canned goods to the storage behind the couch! ie: the axle is the balance point...

    Nan said:
    Does anyone know the weight, in lbs, of the spare tire? I too am going to mount it on my tongue, along with an "upnfront" bicycle upright receiver and concerned about tongue weight. 

    Chan       --         Buffalo NY (Beau Fleuve)
    2014 'S' Maxx - 2011 Tacoma 4cyl Access Cab
  • Sharon_is_SAMSharon_is_SAM Posts: 3,946Moderator
    @Nan, I see you use a Honda Odyssey to tow.  Not sure if you have the same arrangement as our Toyota Sienna, but we leave the larger rear-most seat up and use the seat well to put our spare tire.  We cover with some rubber matting and use the surface for our plastic drawer units.  

    https://tab-rv.vanillacommunity.com/discussion/7506/sienna-minivan-spare-tire-storage
    Sharon / 2017 [email protected] CSS / 2015 Toyota Sienna Minivan / Cleveland Heights, Ohio
       
                                           
  • DalehelmanDalehelman Posts: 1,755Member
    ChanW said:
    Nan, keep in mind that you can always "adjust" your tongue weight by shifting your gear around inside the Tab. If your tongue weight gets too heavy, move some canned goods to the storage behind the couch! ie: the axle is the balance point...

    Do not forget that tongue weight is important, but more important is the percentage of tongue weight to total weight. 15%-20% below that and you risk a serious sway issue which should not be addressed with a sway bar.


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  • rajamarrajamar Posts: 98Member
    edited October 2018
     Follow up: I followed @dfsdogs excellent guide to mount the spare on the jack in mid-April. The red rubber pad does not weather well at all:

    The [email protected] has been stored indoors for about a total of 4 months, been in campgrounds or on the road for about 20 days and in the backyard, tongue to the West with the spare and jack covered with a towel, for about 6 weeks (all in  northern California). I will be replacing the rubber pad with a red or clear hose on the U bolts in the next few days. See:
    https://tab-rv.vanillacommunity.com/discussion/7213/outback-spare-tire-mount-on-tongue#latest
    2016 [email protected] S - TV 2004 Toyota Sienna
  • dsfdogsdsfdogs Posts: 313Member
    Wow, good to know @rajamar about the pad. So far, mine looks good. I'll be curious to see how a clear tube or hose weathers. I tried a clear tube, but then couldn't fit the U bolt up snug to the jack tube.
    Debbie in Oregon
    2018 [email protected] 320 S/2019 Toyota 4Runner SR5
  • ericnlizericnliz Posts: 4,437Member
    @rajamar, & @dsfdogs, My pad did the same thing (cracked), so I'll take the advise of others & go with the tubing which seems to be a much better solution to the application. Thanks for the idea!!!! :)
    2016 [email protected] MAX S-aka: [email protected]
    TV: 2006 Chevy Avalanche LT Z71 aka: WhiteWolf, or 1972 Chevy Custom10 P/U aka: SnarlingWolf
    Spokane, Wa.
    Eric aka: Lone Wolf  with,
    Ruger aka: Adventure Companion

  • TabberJohnTabberJohn Posts: 426Member
    I notice @Dalehelman 's solution (2-1/4" muffler clamp) encircles the jack pole on both sides with no padding necessary.
    2015 [email protected] Max S (White/Silver) -> 2014 Ford Escape 2.0L (turbo, AWD, factory tow)
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