As you are aware, we stake our reputation on employing high quality components and taking care of the customer. That means always doing the right thing – no matter what.
One of the new changes for the 2020 TAB 400 was the implementation of the AIR8 Central AC/Dehumidifier. This new unit not only offers the ability to dehumidify but lightened the tongue weight considerably, thus expanding the class of vehicles that could tow the 400 - along with allowing us to add the boondock platform for additional cargo.
In the early stages of the initial AIR8 investigation, we worked very closely with their management and were extremely intentional with heat chamber testing. The results were fantastic and the prototype was approved for manufacturing. As the 400’s made their way off of dealer’s lots and onto the highways, byways, state & national parks, campgrounds and ultimately new owner’s driveways, we received a handful of warranty claims for ‘performance issues.’ As with any claim, we immediately began investigating them alongside AIR8 management and Air Conditioning Engineers. When our investigation was complete, there was no one single issue that could be identified the reason for lack of performance. The only consistent observation that could be made was to increase airflow. Undeterred by the lack of specificity, AIR8 made the commitment to nuCamp and the entire nuCamp family to further examine, reengineer and increase the overall performance of the AIR8.
Of the hundreds of units we produced, there are fewer than 10 claims for units not performing adequately. AIR8 has communicated to us that they stand 100% behind every unit that have been produced to date. As a partner of ours, we stand behind AIR8. Furthermore, AIR8 has agreed that where a unit has been identified, tested and verified as unable to perform as intended, the unit will be replaced with a upgraded unit.
Anyone considering a purchase of a 2020 TAB 400 should do so with confidence. We are a family and will always take care of each other.”
By the way, Scott Hubble mentions “there are fewer than 10 claims for units not performing adequately”.
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"Of the hundreds of units we produced, there are fewer than 10 claims for units not performing adequately. AIR8 has communicated to us that they stand 100% behind every unit that have been produced to date. As a partner of ours, we stand behind AIR8. Furthermore, AIR8 has agreed that where a unit has been identified, tested and verified as unable to perform as intended, the unit will be replaced with a upgraded unit."
Isolated problems, not widespread, both companies standing 100% behind their products.
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That said NuCamp is stepping up as I was betting they would and that is good! I truly hope it is just a few units and not hundreds!
1) what units are going in new 2020 TAB 400 - the original Air8, or the upgraded unit that is mentioned?
2) what is the plan for 2021 model year - the original Air8, the upgraded unit or something else?
i have sent customer care an email to try and get more clarity.
"Furthermore, AIR8 has agreed that where a unit has been identified, tested and verified as unable to perform as intended, the unit will be replaced with a upgraded unit."
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He also said he is playing phone tag with Elwell folks regarding the Air8. Not sure what that means but I'll stay tuned. I've not used the Air8 as yet but was curious based on threads on this forum.
No engineer here but dropping BTU output by a factor of 50% (+/-) does seem problematic. Proof is in the puddin'!
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We appreciate the statement from Scott Hubble and it has eased some of our concerns but we still have reservations. Last October we purchased a 2020 Tab 400BD with the Air8 AC unit (with vent kit). We noticed that with outside temperatures in the mid 80’s the Air8 was constantly running and struggled to keep the interior cool (74°). We have not contacted Nucamp because we have not used the camper in Summer temperatures but anticipate that temperatures in the 90’s will overwhelm our Air8. I would like to know what are the parameters for considering a Air8 to be “unable to perform as intended”?
In the vent kit service bulletin it gives performance diagnostic:
Turn on Air 8 to cool. Crack open roof fan exhaust vent. Check cabin temperature in 20min. If it is not 10°F lower than the outside temperature inside the cabin, proceed with repair procedure. If cabin cools to 20°F or more below the enviromental temperature within 3hrs, the Air8 is within the acceptable working range.
This is the test I will use when on our next camping trip were we have temps over 85°.
I would also like to know what has changed with the upgraded Air8 unit?
Verna
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2021 T@B 320S Boondock “The T@B”
Towed by a white 2019 Ford F-150 4x4 Supercab, 3.5L V6 Ecoboost “The Truck”
Q: What AC unit is going in the latest production run T@B 400s?
A: The original AIR 8 with the expectation that the new model, which is in production, will be released in the first quarter of this year.
Q: What are the AC unit plans for the 2021 Model Year?
A: Still finalizing the build on the 2021 models and its policy to not release details of model year changes until the production model is finalized and production has begun.
Raphael reiterated that overall (so far) there has been a limited number of units that they have seen fail and have confidence that the majority of the AIR 8 units will operate as designed. They will stand by those units to resolve any issues that arise.
The message ended with “If you look back at the history of our company, you will find that we do not abandon our customers. We genuinely care about our customers and will do the right thing”.
I appreciated the Nucamp response - they could have chosen not to respond to my questions.
I am hopeful and confident they will get these issues sorted, and look forward to camping next summer.
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It appears to be a somewhat isolated problem and probably no more of of an issue than other appliances would have.
If you really have a question about the capability of the unit to cool the cabin, why not email tech support at nuCamp? The people who build, design, and support these trailers know what they are doing and will be able to provide you with a good explanation.
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Absolutely agree. I am hanging on the fence right now on a 2020 for this very reason. Its the perfect trailer with options and colors the wife wants. Those color changes ( inside and out ) in 2021 don't excite her. Even though I can order a 2021 for a $1000 more with possibly a better AC its an ongoing discussion in this house. I like others, am afraid on ongoing issues, declining values, and possible residual issues in the 2020. We are waiting impatiently and hoping good news is revealed soon.